[linux-dvb] Re : Professional trolls -- was Re: Re : Re : Compiling dvb-usb-adapter module outside the kernel source.

Markus Rechberger mrechberger at gmail.com
Wed Aug 1 19:55:37 CEST 2007


On 8/1/07, manu <eallaud at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On 08/01/2007 01:12:59 PM, Markus Rechberger wrote:
> > On 8/1/07, Manu Abraham <abraham.manu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > On 8/1/07, manu <eallaud at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing can excuse hatred messages as I said I do believe that,
> > > > especially when we talk about "communities" in free/open source,
> > whe
> > > > should behave as such, that does not include racist/xenophobic
> > > > behaviours.
> > > > To be honest I dont think it is worth talking one more minutes
> > about
> > > > this, it is a waste of time.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, we have been infested with professional trolls.
> > >
> > > We can't help much in such a case, the only thing what we can do is
> > to
> > > ignore them. Basically trolls are people who find it hard to mix in
> > > their surroundings and or community and hence they do not have
> > > anything else to do and hence find more interest in
> > trolling/insulting
> > > others.
> > >
> > > My request is that all you folks just ignore the trolls, once they
> > are
> > > found to be trolls, ignore them completely in all senses. Sometimes,
> > > they throw in small technical pieces, such as to attract as bait,
> > but
> > > it would be up to the users not to take the bait.
> > >
> >
> > I would say there's a deeper reason behind everything. People don't
> > come up with nonsense if there's no reason for.. that for signing up
> > and writing annoying things takes just too much time for most people
> > (well there's one known exception).
> >
> > It's the internal problems this project has which reflects to the
> > outside world.
> > You, I and several others are also part of that problem, and at least
> > to me it seems to be unsolvable the way it is at the moment. If you
> > remember the words you've written a few weeks ago that you'll never
> > ask Mauro to pull your code, but you fight for your code which you
> > have committed earlier to the v4l-dvb project and don't accept patches
> > which have been written by others (eg. Trent).
> > Either you're overloaded with what you're doing or just try to take
> > care that everything you ever touched belongs to you and noone has
> > access to it .. I don't know.
>
> Well for reading this list out of curiosity for a while (also I have a
> TT S-1500 CI that I plan to use soon ;-) I for sure am surprised by the
> amount of "noise" surrounding actual coding discussion. I have
> participated in another free software project and things were much
> smoother.
> I understand that some people will just not get along, but things sound
> really nasty sometimes here.
> And to be direct: what are the solutions that you can come up with to
> improve patch handling?

Well I'll soon introduce a few kernel drivers which add the
possibility to move i2c tuners (for DVB and V4L - including support
for hybrid/multistandard tuners) and demodulators to userspace so that
noone has to deal with that project here if he wants to write such
drivers.
This will make it easier for people to enable support for certain
devices since they don't have to submit the code to the kernel
anymore, also the firmware problems won't exist there anymore since in
userspace applications can easier directly compile them in without
having to fear legal issues.

In general I miss the _will do_ attitude here even if things aren't
perfect at the first time, someone else can always spend some more
time on something and make it better - this is only about drivers and
not about something that affects the whole internals of the kernel.

> As as user (and hopefully in a near future tester/coder) I would like
> to at least see this project moving forward even if love is not pouring
> from everywhere on the ML ;-)

let's see how it will evolve during the next year.

Markus



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