sailus, pinchartl, hverkuil: I wrote a second article (published today) with the description of the DVB network interfaces: http://blogs.s-osg.org/the-role-of-dtv-network-interfaces-in-media-controller-support-for-dvb/
mchehab: I'll read that with your reply to Sakari's RFC
I really think a face to face discussion would help a lot
ok, thanks
well, we can do that
the question is then when and where :-)
mchehab: pinchartl: I also think we need a good old-fashioned brainstorm session. I think somewhere in Europe that is easiest for Mauro to reach (Lisbon?)
I have to be honest, even the proposed property API I didn't like. I plan on replying tomorrow to the RFC.
FYI: I expect to be very busy Tuesdays to Thursdays for the next several weeks (or longer), so I may be difficult to reach on irc especially on those days.
s/especially//
hverkuil: Lisbon is the closest point to here
but there are other places with direct flights from here too
Paris, for example
Paris would work as well: we might ask Mozilla Paris if they have a meeting room for us (they organize the Kernel Recipes conference as well)
Although I guess we can also find hotels they have meeting rooms available.
I don't have a particular preference where in Europe we do it.
Lisbon seems better...
as it has flights all the days
paris is only mon, wed, fri
Lisbon is fine. Certainly cheaper than Paris :-)
Let's see if we can get pinchartl and sailus on board as well tomorrow and see if we can organize it.
yep
I actually gave a heads-up already to my manager today because I saw this heading in that direction.
June 17-19 is out for me
also 25-28 June (although I could rearrange something there, but we probably want it earlier anyway)
mchehab, hverkuil: I like the idea of having a brainstorming session as well.
Three days, I think. As we did before. Based on the discussions so far I think we need that much (and the format worked well in the past).
yes, just one day is very likely not enough
I probably can get some space in Samsung UK
London is not hard to reach from here
Besides us four, should we invite someone else?
hverkuil: well, we can publicly announce
the food is better in Lisbon :-)
:)
true
we can do the meetings in Sintra :-p
My boss just left for a holiday and will be back in early June so I can't confirm travel for a while.
Albeit... looking at the ticket prices, that's not a big deal.
Finland is a nice place to visit as well. :-D
i need to schedule as soon as possible, as international tickets can get really expensive if not reserved weeks before
How about from 24th until 26th?
see above, 25-28 are difficult for me, although if really necessary I can rearrange.
Hmm, doable though.
I'll come back from Japan on the 11th
How about early July then?
early July would work for me after the 5th (that's a Sunday)
24-26 would be OK for me. Also anything in the period 8-16 June.
I'll be in Belgium during that weekend, I could easily travel anywhere in Europe after that
July 3-5 is definitely a no go for me. Other than that I am available in July.
It's a bit late though. I would prefer to do it earlier.
(i.e June)
I doesn't have to be weekdays for me, if part is in the weekend, then I'm fine with that.
yeah, I also prefer to have it earlier...
sailus: you're unavailable from the 17th to the 22nd, right ?
as I'll likely take some vacations in July
pinchartl: Correct.
I'm also ok with week-ends.
this looks difficult...
Can we do this systematically? If everyone can say when they are unavailable in June?
June 17-19 for me (presenting at a conference in Oslo, so I can't move that).
I don't have anything scheduled for June (well, except for the merge window - that may or may not happen in June)
travelling during the merge window is possible, though
I've done that before
I'm unavailable until the 11th (coming back from Japan), on the 13th (that might be movable), and from the 24th to end of the month (that might be movable too, but not easily)
can we do it in two days?
that should be enough
but we need to take travel time into account
sailus is unavailable from the 17th to the 22nd
I have my doubts about that. I think we need three days.
So, only time left seems to be June, 15-16
then there's only 14-15-16 that are free for everybody, but I can't travel on the 13th and Sakari will need to be back on the 16th
How about 20-22?
Sakari will be in Prague
So, Jun, 14-16
in a place that would allow both Hans and Sakari to travel after the meeting
Finland ? :-)
pinchartl: Sounds good to me! ;)
two of the four attendees are already there :-D
I could probably travel on the 17th
but it might be difficult to access for Mauro
Finland is hard for me...
hverkuil: there should be flights back to Norway on the 16th in the late afternoon ?
not much flight options
mchehab: thought so
but Sakari must be in Finland on the 16th
London? it is a big hub... there's likely flights there to anywhere in Europe
and it is easy from Brazil
we could do at SRUK offices
(Samsung Research UK)
London would be OK with me.
and I could likely get a few people from the offices participating there too
with some experience with TV
London on those dates is ok for me, but I'd need to fly in on the 14th, so we'll lose half a day there
and Sakari will need to fly out on the 16th, losing half a day there too
hmm... Sakari will go to Prague, right? maybe he could fly from London to Prague directly
I'll need to be back in Finland by the afternoon on 16th.
mchehab: I've booked the flights already.
And... indeed, for other reasons as well I have to travel from Finland.
Then the 16th is out I think, just not enough time.
pinchartl: any chance we can do something 24-26? It's difficult for you I understand.
I might be able to free those days but I need to ask first
I'm supposed to be in Germany to give a V4L training ;-)
How quickly will you know whether it can be moved?
I can send an e-mail now
I expect to get a reply tomorrow or on Monday
Personally I think that if we can do it 24-26 and have all three days fully available to us without having to fly in in the morning or fly out in the afternoon, then that it much more relaxed.
If 24-26 won't work, then we should take 14-16 and just accept the limitations.
agreed
London seems to work well for us all.
July is just too late IMHO.
I just realised 14th--16th is out of question for me.
Hopefully 24th--26th works!
OK. What if 24-26 will fall through as well? How are we in July? 3-5 (more likely 3-6) July is not possible for me.
mchehab, hverkuil, pinchartl: I have comments from Takashi on ALSA work
Hmm, it looks like I will be available July 6 after all.
A large 0f the code is ALSA specific and media controller api part is small. So I am going to work on v2 keeping in mind that media controller api related code will have to change
hverkuil: july is harder for me... need to double check
shuah: sounds like a plan
sorry, didn't have any time to review it yet
shuah: do you still want me to review it? I have to admit that I'm quite busy so if I can wiggle out of it, then I wouldn't mind :-) But if you prefer me to look at it, then I'll do that, no problem.
s/wiggle/wriggle/
:-)
Ah, wiggle is OK as well.
synonyms: avoid, shirk, dodge, evade, elude, sidestep, circumvent, eschew; hide from, escape from, extricate oneself from, steer clear of; informal: duck
hverkuil: If you can take a look a quick look at the changes I made to pcm.c and stream.c - might be helpful. If not wait for v2
OK, I'll see if I can do that tomorrow.
I will be restructuring the code based Takashi's comments - general direction is good.
did Takashi comment on the mailinglist or private email? I can't remember seeing his reply.
h.. I didn't realize there are so many ways we/I can say wiggle :)
he sent to the list 5/27 is the date
pinchartl: If you can take a look at the new media controller interfaces I added - that would great. These are the ones to create media dev as a device resource
ah, found it. I've been in a day and a half of meetings, so I didn't pay as much attention to the mailinglist.
just sent today a 35 patches series with some improvements to the DVB frontend API docbook
ok - he commented on the second patch which is all ALSA
this is one of the items that we've discussed on the last media summit
I should be doing more patches like that tomorrow
pinchartl: and this RFC patch series is also still waiting for your review: "Add VIDIOC_SUBDEV_QUERYCAP and use MEDIA_IOC_DEVICE_INFO"
mchehab: great!
they're on this branch too: http://git.linuxtv.org/cgit.cgi/mchehab/experimental.git/log/?h=dvb_docs
hverkuil: I know. I have 1358 emails I need to handle in my inbox
basically, now frontend looks more like the v4l2 doc
mchehab: can you perhaps reply to the 00/35 mail and state which patches actually change the documentation instead of moving/reformatting? That makes it easier to review.
hverkuil: almost all do that
I didn't use any program to reformat... all was handmade
and I fixed the documentation while reformatting
hverkuil: but I know I'm lazy. like yesterday was a small day, I only finished half of my todo list for the day... after 17h of work
as most ioctls were very poorly described
hverkuil: btw, I updated here to Fedora 22, and I'm not starting to have *lots* of warnings when building the htmldocs
/devel/v4l/patchwork/Documentation/DocBook/media_api.xml:1: element section: validity error : ID control already defined
/devel/v4l/patchwork/Documentation/DocBook/media_api.xml:68: element table: validity error : ID control-id already defined
/devel/v4l/patchwork/Documentation/DocBook/media_api.xml:216: element row: validity error : ID v4l2-power-line-frequency already defined
/devel/v4l/patchwork/Documentation/DocBook/media_api.xml:272: element row: validity error : ID v4l2-colorfx already defined
Hmm, so patches that actually make substantial changes are 5, 10, 12, 15, 24-35
mchehab: yes, my understanding is that it is actually a bug in one of the docbook apps.
either that or it is trying to parse media_api.xml multiple times, generating duplicated stuff
It doesn't seem to be anything we are doing wrong.
I saw more complaints about this.
that's what I think too, but didn't have time yet to look deeply on it
I'm for now just piping the 'make htmldocs' output through: grep -v "element.*: validity error : ID .* already defined"
hverkuil: patch 3 adds a picture showing a typical card
it is one of the pictures I use on my presentations, converted to svg
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766884
This seems to be the libxml2 bug report: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737840
No fix that I can find, though.
yes, the example given there causes error to me too
I'm off. Back tomorrow. Have a good night!
have a good night