On 23/07/2008, Martin Emrich <emme@emmes-world.de> wrote:

Hi!

Torgeir Veimo schrieb:
> On 23 Jul 2008, at 23:06, Martin Emrich wrote:
>
>>  (I wonder why there's no simple "TV simulator" that upmixes 50
>> fields/s to 50 frames/s just like a CRT TV?).
>
>
> It's very hard to simulate this 'upmix'. A CRT TV actually moves the
> electron beam across the screen and the phosphor has some time it
> stays illuminated after being hit by the beam. This is very hard to
> simulate with a digital screen which is either on or off, or has some
> slowness by itself which is different from how a CRT screen works.

I did not mean to actually simulate the brightness decay in the
phosphors, just the points in time where the fields are presented.

Let's assume we have two frames to be played back, which each consists
of two fields:  {1,2} and {3,4}.

I don't know if it actually works this way, but as far as I know,
playing back interlaced content with 25 frames/s on a progressive
display looks this way:

11111                          33333
22222  ...1/25th sec. later:   44444
11111                          33333
22222                          44444

As field 3 is a 1/50th second "older" than field 4, there are jaggies in
moving scenes.

What I am looking for would be this, with 50 frames/s:

11111             11111        33333      33333
.....  1/50th s.  22222  1/50s 22222      44444
11111             11111        33333      33333
.....             22222        22222      44444

So each field ist still being shown for a 1/25th of a second, but for
the "right" 1/25th second. The output then no longer serves 25fps but
50fps to XVideo, DirectFB or whatever.

All of this of course makes only sense for PAL content when the TV can
do 50Hz, not 60Hz.

> The dscaler project has implemented some of the best deinterlacing
> algorithms and most of the tvtime algorithms are implemented (to my
> knowledge) with basis in dscaler source / ideas. See http://
> dscaler.org/ . dscaler basically is a deinterlace and display program
> that takes input from bt8x8 based capture cards.

I assume these are the "tvtime" deinterlacers in the libxineoutput
plugin. I played around with them, but none of them resultet in a
picture as sharp and contrasty as without any deinterlacer. So I have to
choose between sharpness and clean motions. And even during the EURO
2008, I chose the first.

> Someone on that project had an idea to create a setup where the
> display hardware was synced to the input clock of the capture card,
> but I'm not sure if anything ever came out of that idea.

I also thought of that. One then would have to sync to the soundcard's
buffer, too, and remove/duplicate samples as necessary, to keep the
audio synchronized.

BTW: How does libxineoutput synchronize? I noticed a slight AV desync
growing over ca. 5 minutes, the the audio jumps once and the desync
jumps into the right position (Digital output to AV receiver).

Ciao

Martin

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