[linux-dvb] Re: Patch 3 / 3 for bt8xx cards

Uwe Bugla uwe.bugla at gmx.de
Thu Apr 13 11:30:17 CEST 2006

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Michael Krufky <mkrufky at linuxtv.org>
> An: christophpfister at bluemail.ch
> Kopie: linux-dvb at linuxtv.org
> Betreff: Re: [linux-dvb] Re: Patch 3 / 3 for bt8xx cards
> Datum: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:33:33 -0400
> christophpfister at bluemail.ch wrote:
> >>> I will not apologize for this, because it is the truth what I am
> saying.
> >>>       
> >> Amen :)
> >>     
> > We (members and developers) aren't an anarchic society. We're democratic
> > (at least I hope so - I'm not a maintainer...). So please follow rules
> to
> > preserve a good develop environment.
> >
> > If a patch isn't accepted by a maintainer, he has to give reasons for
> his
> > decision. If you don't agree with his decision, you can just call for a
> vote among maintainers and nothing more.
> >   
> Christoph-
> Thank you for your effort in trying to provide some order to this flame.
> As far as for providing reasons for patch rejection -- Yes, it would be 
> nice, but it can't _always_ happen.  You must remember that the people 
> maintaining this subsystem are doing it in their spare time.  It is far 
> more useful for the maintainers to spend their time writing code and 
> applying good patches instead of explaining what is wrong with the bad 
> patches to people that refuse to listen to reason.  <-- Now, don't quote 
> me out of context here.  I do agree that every rejection deserves an 
> explanation, within reason.  But you cannot expect anybody to respond to 
> a repetitious flamer, who continually re-posts the same patch after 
> being told over and over that it will not be applied.
> In this particular circumstance, the patch author is behaving in a 
> hostile manner.  Previous patches from this guy were rejected, and 
> explanations were provided.  Instead of accepting this, the author 
> starts an email flame, pointing fingers at anyone imaginable.  Surely 
> with my comments in this thread, I am due to be the next victim.
> With that said, it should be noted that the author of this patch is 
> attempting to remove the names of copyright holders from the 
> documentation.  His patch removes everybody's name from the bottom of 
> the document, replacing with his own name.  Nobody has the right to do 
> this, especially not without approval from the names in question.  Once 
> a copyright is added, it cannot be removed, and the same hold true for 
> documentation, unless agreed upon by the original copyright holder.
> In addition to the above, I really don't see any benefit to making this 
> change, nor do I think this requires any further debate.  The case is 
> simple enough -- this same patch has been proposed repeatedly, it has 
> been rejected repeatedly, and the author continues to press the issue.
> If there are parts of the documentation that really need to be changed, 
> it would be a *much* better game plan to make small changes in separate 
> patches.  Only then can the individual changes be dealt with separately, 
> and perhaps someone could be convinced to apply some parts.
> For patch guidelines, please see:
> http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/stuff/tpp.txt
> ...and also please see README.patches from within the v4l-dvb mercurial 
> tree.
> Given that the author knows how everybody feels about it, I see nothing 
> wrong if he feels the need to re-post his patch for each new kernel 
> version.  This is an open community, and it causes no harm to post a 
> patch that will never be included.  However, at this point, it is well 
> known that the patch will not be accepted, and it has gone far beyond 
> the point where an explanation should be required.  The flames are 
> highly inappropriate, and I ask that everyone stop wasting their time on 
> this issue.
> Regards,
> Michael Krufky
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Krufky and Abraham!
You personally ARE personal mismatches, no maintainers at all.
You aren´t even gatekeepers, you are just nothings.
You both are completely incapable stupid nuts, and it would be a real
progress to get especially YOU TWO out of this scenery here.

P. S.: The persons I prefer are capable ones like Gerd Knorr, Peter
Hettkamp, Ralph Metzler, Edgar Toernig, Bjorn Helgaas, Matthieu Castet,
Andrew Morton ...........
Those are really fine as the have a kind of class that YOU TWO will never
have, even not after the 50th reincarnation.

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