[linux-dvb] Terratec Cinergy Hybrid T USB XS: new Information

CityK CityK at rogers.com
Wed Jan 25 20:40:51 CET 2006

Hi Folks,

I have 2 questions; the first is from a technical standpoint and the
second (which is EXTREMELY trivial) is strictly out of curiousity:

Question 1.
Thomas Kaiser (linux-dvb) wrote:

> Following chips are used on the Terratec Cinergy Hybrid T USB XS:
> # Tuner (receiver): XCEIVE XC3028
> # Demodulator: ZARLINK ZL10353
> ....etc ....

I glanced at the Zarlink docs and didn't see anything mentioned about
analog demodulation.  Is there another IC missing from this list?  ...
Or stated differently - if the Zarlink IC is not performing this
function, then what is ?

Question 2.

Markus Rechberger wrote:
> I called Xceive again and they are still not willing to give us any
> specs, it's against their policy.
> Anyway I reverse engineered the Hauppauge WinTV HVR 900 which contains
> an xc3028 chip to a usable state. I'm able to upload the firmware, set
> coloured/monochrom TV, and tune for correct requested frequencies.
> The only thing that's missing atm is channel locking (but I'm sure
> I'll cover that within another hour of looking at it)
> I'll commit the source I have during the next few hours.

That's unfortunate news about Xceive's unwillingness, but its certainly
excellent news on Markus' RE'ing efforts!

Anyways, when I read the first part of that message ("not willing to
give us any specs") I was a bit confused, as I was under the impression
that I had read previously that someone was getting a datasheet from
Xceive.  I searched the v4l and dvb archives and found that that wasn't
the case.  Nonetheless, a curiousity presented itself, and which is
perhaps best asked after unfolding the story:

.... 3 short messages in that thread from Nov, with the pertinent
details (in relation to my curiosity) summarized as following:
- Oliver asks about the Terratec device
- Steve informs its using the Xceive tuner
- Patrick suggests contacting the vendor and to also ask about info on
the tuner

b) http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-January/007347.html 
... pertinent details from the thread summarized as following:
- Mike and Thomas talk about the Xceive tuner
- Patrick asks if anyone has asked Xceive for info
- Markus mentions he has begun work on supporting the chip

c) http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg23140.html .... (just read this
post, not the rest of thread)
- Markus mentions that he will shortly receive the datasheet for the
device    ( he was referring only to the Empia EM2880 [which, indeed,
can be inferred from the context of his message])

d) http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-January/007639.html
... pertinent details from thread summarized as following:
- Oliver mentions that Terratec refused to disclose info, but provided a
contact at Xceive
- Thomas alludes to Marcus' earlier message about getting the datasheet"s"
- Mike provides clarification that Markus was referring only to the
Empia IC, and not the Xceive ... still lacking Xceive info
- Oliver asks whether we can expect anything directly from Xceive

e) http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg23601.html   ... (just read this
- Carsten had inquired to Markus if he had received the Xceive
datasheet, to which Markus replies that he had:
"directly called Xceive in Switzerland once, they only told me that I've
sent an email to them 2 months ago and that I should better call in
America (what I haven't done yet + I never sent that mailbefore so
someone else did that and got no response)
- he also mentions his progress with the IC

f) http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg23766.html  ... which is, of
course,  Markus' message I quoted above at the start of  "question 2 "of
my message.

g) http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg23773.html  ... Markus'
announcement regarding experimental support for the Xceive IC  ....
which I include just for sake of posterity to story :)

So then, now that you've digested all that, here's the mystery/curiosity
--- Who contacted Xceive?  Unless their mistaken, Xceive's repley to
Markus (where they incorrectly attribute Markus to previously contacting
them) indicates that someone did,  sometime roughly back in November. 
Did you Oliver?  Your later message  (second one mentioned in part d)
above), however, might indicate that you hadn't yet tried contacting them.

I told you it was trivial! But hey, curiousity kills this cat :)

--Cheers, CK

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