[linux-dvb] Patch for /Documentation/dvb/bt8xx.txt, Revision 2

Peter Fassberg pf at leissner.se
Tue Mar 28 19:05:03 CEST 2006

Huh !

Doesn't this list have a netiquette ?

I'm really new on this list so I don't know the background to this
situation, but this is abolutely NOT the right way to say what you
are trying to say.

I don't see your posting "positive" either.  And who is introvert
and weak in linguisic terms?  Yous posting was hard to read containing
way too compact text.

This is my $0.05 words:

I would like to know how drivers work and the history.  I spend my
first day browsing Linux DVB source code yesterday.  This is a wonderful
piece of code and I really appreciate the contributions from Manu.

I love to see parameters set to zero.  It sometimes help me to understand.

I love endless author lists.  That is sometimes needed when you must ask
an earlier author something about his/her code och ducumentation.

So please update the author lists with the authors new contacs info
instead of cutting it.

And endless card IDs if one single card is PROVEN to be the exception can
also be of value.  What if I have the same exeption in my system?  That
info can be invaluable to me.

Actually I hate compact and small documentation.

But... maybe there is more behind this that I don't know.  I have already
learned a lot thanks to all endless lists of IDs and variables and
extensive documentation.

Best regards,

Peter Fassberg
Leissner Data AB

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Uwe Bugla wrote:

> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Manu Abraham <abraham.manu at gmail.com>
> > An: linux-dvb at linuxtv.org
> > Kopie: Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla at gmx.de>, akpm at osdl.org, info at knopper.net,
> > mchehab at infradead.org
> > Betreff: Re: [linux-dvb] Patch for /Documentation/dvb/bt8xx.txt, Revision
> > 2
> > Datum: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:18 +0400
> >
> > Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > > Changes:
> > > - rewrote document from scratch
> > > - reduced the card ID reference to one proven exception (TwinHan)
> > > - added cross references (=>)
> > > - added a date to show actual state of development
> > > - short, precise, compact info now
> > > - no more endless author list
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Please don't rip away documents like these. There is lot of useful
> > information in the documentation what might be trivial for you. You are
> > doing the wrong thing.
> I did not rip away anything essential, Mr. Abraham!
> Who needs parameters set to zero in a docu? NO ONE DOES! Parameters set to
> zero are standard behaviour. That is the reason.
> Who needs the info like "get_device_ID"? No one does! Because it does not
> help! Parameters unequal to zero help.
> Who needs the advice to send in complete logs without being asked for? No
> one does! Gerd Knorr wuold beat you dead for that!
> Who needs the information that verbose=1 is optimal setting? No one does!
> If the card works no parameters are needed at all.
> Who needs endless author lists? No one does! One person doing the linguistic
> and editorial work, or even two: That´s it!
> Who needs endless card IDs if one single card is PROVEN to be the exception?
> No one does! One cross reference solves it!
> I am used to scientific working methods, I know the difference between a
> thesis, an assumption and a proven FACT.
> >
> > Documents are written by the developers for users for understanding the
> > drivers. Users who feel that documentation is not right may contribute
> > back to it, but not rip away all the information from it.
> In my experience real capable developers are rather introverted persons, i.
> e. very weak in linguistic terms. Now if they attempt to write docus big
> mess comes out in most of all cases, not in all cases.
> I spent about one complete day to get a sophisticated concept of a very good
> docu: compact, small, easily to comprehend.
> I strictly followed Edgar´s path to chop out everything not being strictly
> necessary.
> As I respect your and Edgar´s profound knowledge about the driver I would
> ask you personally to respect my capabilities vice versa.
> I am NOT keen on any quarrels especially with you personally so this will be
> my first answer and my last one.
> I expect you to be an excellent maintainer proven by FACTS I can see
> through. I expect you to use vocabulary like "regression" in a thoughtful
> intelligent way and in the right context.
> I am still trying to think positive although especially you personally have
> been real upsetting and sucking in the past months.
> If you keep on caressing your mercurial tree I cannot and I will not stop
> you from doing that. For me it is relevant what is in the main kernel. For
> me it is relevant that there are no breakdowns in driver support anymore.
> So before you begin to react on my work the way you did I would appreciate
> you to use your brain and think it all over.
> So instead of reacting in that manner prove to me and others that you are an
> excellent programmer and an excellent maintainer.
> If that is too much for you get yourself substituted by another person.
> Kind regards
> Uwe Bugla
> >
> > Manu
> >

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