[linux-dvb] Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] DVB Maintainer

Uwe Bugla uwe.bugla at gmx.de
Mon Apr 16 15:07:53 CEST 2007

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Datum: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:35:59 +0400
Von: Manu Abraham <abraham.manu at gmail.com>
An: Johannes Stezenbach <js at linuxtv.org>
CC: v4l-dvb-maintainer at linuxtv.org, linux-dvb <linux-dvb at linuxtv.org>
Betreff: [linux-dvb] Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] DVB Maintainer

> Johannes Stezenbach wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote:
> >> Johannes Stezenbach wrote:
> >>> Why do you waste your time looking backward?
> >>> Not only is this not useful, in this case it's also _harmful_.
> >> When someone flames you in all aspects again and again, you would just
> >> watch it go by ?
> > 
> > Usually yes
> I don't think that is entirely true .. but since "usually" ....
> >>> Instead of trying to keep the flamewar alive, the right
> >>> thing to do (as this is written under the "DVB Maintainer"
> >>> subject), is put the personal issues aside and find a way
> >>> to integrate the em28xx driver.
> >> Would have appreciated your stand, if you had the same stand on other
> >> threads as well. (IIRC your stand on the DVB-S2/multiproto threads were
> >> completely opposite. You wanted to hold things back)
> > 
> > That is not true. Your first proposal was crap, yet you asked
> > Mauro the merge it and even got ACKs from others. So I
> > pointed out that I thought it needs more work.
> Ok, if my first proposal was crap, it is crap still. After the driver
> was completed _most_ of the stuff had to be done according to the old
> proposal, because the delivery system does indeed need them (not just
> useless params)
> You were asleep throughout the discussion. For Marcel's request you said
> it was okay too. After that you had a dream or something like that and
> even apologized for your last minute barging in, also that you didn't
> understand about DVB-S2.
> It wasn't anyone else's fault that you NACK'd it after asking Mauro to
> pull, but yours alone. You could have done it earlier too.. or just kept
> quiet. Was a waste of time for so many people involved.
> > I also think the whole approach of "we need to merge this API change
> > *now* so we can develop DVB-S2 drivers" was flawed. IMHO first you
> > have to produce a working driver to prove the API is working, *then*
> > it can be merged.
> >
> I don't think that's true for a new delivery system. Even after the
> driver was developed, it was still flawed, Huh ?
> > And if there was a "please review" or "Mauro, please merge" mail
> > regarding multiproto recently, I must have missed it.
> Sorry. You said you didn't have the time after everything was done,
> inspite of many mails sent to you.
> If someone NACK's something for a reason and when those things are
> fixed, the same person could at least show a bit of courtesy by stating
> the same problems are/were fixed.
> Manu
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I do not want to extend this issue at all, BUT:

I have still got 2 patches lying around that were sent in some 10 or 15 times, but continuously ignored, although they are OK by at least 98 %.
They update some broken docu and they help me to save RAM.

Two statements:

1. "To make it utmost hard for you: Show that you can work WITH Manu, not against him." (Johannes Stezenbach).

2. Literally: "There are developpers that have a certain kind of driver knowledge but are lacking the human skills. Those are the WORST." (Linus Torvalds).

I am still hopeful for things getting better, that's why I won't add the name of the person I have in mind concerning citation number 2.
But I do not state anything wrong saying that I never had any problems on the communication layer when linuxtv.org was but in german hands (Michael Hunold and others).



P. S.: My two patches need a bit of work - I know! But investing at least 5 minutes of time for that is far more progressive, constructive, and helpful for the whole community than any kind of flamewar out of whatever reason has ever been!
Stubbornness and primadonna behaviour, or at least ignoring or sitting out things do not help anyone, bring nothing forward, waste the atmosphere that could be a lot more better if there was some reflection about those communication schemes settled down in at least one person.

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