[linux-dvb] OT: Re: linuxtv.org fell in the blacklists trap
hermann-pitton at arcor.de
Wed Oct 31 03:40:33 CET 2007
Am Mittwoch, den 31.10.2007, 02:44 +0100 schrieb thomas schorpp:
> Luca Olivetti wrote:
> > En/na Jim Barber ha escrit:
> >> Sorbs will remove you from their list once you contact them and prove
> >> you have a static IP address though.
> > Yes, they did, *twice*, since they wrongly listed my address *twice*
> > (though I thought I already stated that) but I shouldn't go through all
> > of this.
> > Besides, one shouldn't have more or less rights to have an own mail
> > server depending on the fact that the address is static or dynamic.
> > And others blacklists don't even listen to you (and, again, even if they
> > would, it's tiresome and shouldn't be necessary).
> > The net result is that spammers simply hop from network to network and
> > can send their shit with no problem, while non-spam is blocked. Good job.
> > Bye
> I'm with Luca.
> in general blacklisting is an unprofessional, trivial security concept and completely sucks,
> especially sorbs:
> Netblock: 18.104.22.168/24 (22.214.171.124-126.96.36.199)
> Last Seen: Thu Feb 15 15:15:12 2007 GMT
> Additional Information: ad-online.biz. A 188.8.131.52 [TTL=1800] Job Scam Spammers
> they still block my mail server on .246 cause some spamfucks were once in my assigned netblock??? great.
> and blocking Luca against their own(!) whitelist policy is really scandalous.
> I and many people can't simply afford the horrific costs of static and NIC registered IPs.
> this is social discrimination of internet users and glorifying the few big mailprovider's monopoly
> all in the name of a "protection system" that has been long proven of complete failure by spamgangs.
> Jim, so how to prove ownership of a IP? thats actually a crap requirement, cause only the ISP
> can certify. NIC registry can't, too. I can register every fake data in there. spamgangs do so.
> CA signed server certificates can't prove ownership of an IP, too, cause I could use any proxy
> and fake certify ownership of its IP that way. so practically you never get delisted from sorbs,
> once listed. they don't do blacklisting, actually they do whitelisting in their big sponsors preferences(?) in fact.
> besides this is a violation of accepted civilized international law principles. pre-convicted for having done
> nothing. BTW law: in most countries courts take denied mails *as delivered*(!) to evidence whatever the reason for denial!
> so companies be very careful using blocklists...
> sorbs: "Fighting spam by finding and listing Exploitable Servers.". real great policy. Which administrator
> can assure that his systems are 100% unexploitable all the time? this is pure SCI-FI and not a
> accepted all day practioneer's requirement.
> as Luca said, spam-gangs avoid it easily. Johannes, PLS use a bayesian filter / greylisting combination.
> or use spamhaus at least. they have a much kinder not "ordinary dynamic IP internet
> mail user discriminating" delisting policy :)
> with private house community wlan-routers, wifi-hotspots, inetcafes, anonymizers further upcoming,
> blacklisting has become complete idiocracy. sorbs go on, blacklist them all!
> spamgangs laugh at You.
I also fully agree.
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