[linux-dvb] Merge multiproto tree

Markus Rechberger mrechberger at gmail.com
Mon Sep 22 12:18:59 CEST 2008

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Marcel Siegert <mws at linuxtv.org> wrote:
> Hi Mauro,
> Mauro Carvalho Chehab schrieb:
>> Hi Marcel,
>> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:22:59 +0200
>> Marcel Siegert <mws at linuxtv.org> wrote:
>>> hello mauro,
>>> Mauro Carvalho Chehab schrieb:
>>>> Hello, Manu,
>>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Manu Abraham wrote:
>>>>>  Hello Mauro,
>>>>>  Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
>>>>>  to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
>>>> The need for supporting newer DTV protocols increases day by day, since when
>>>> the first multiproto proposal started to be discussed, about two years ago.
>>>> At the end of the last year, Steven send one email to the ML with a different
>>>> API proposal. Yet, people decided to wait for your work to be done. People then
>>>> pinged you, from time to time, asking about the completion of multiproto. All
>>>> the times, your answer were that multiproto were not ready yet for production.
>>> how is the actual state of his proposal?
>> Steven can explain the details. Basically: it works, it is simple to
>> understand and to work with, and it seems to be flexible enough to support all
>> current needs and seems to be flexible enough to support future protocols. It is
>> currently under review based on community feedback.
>> I didn't have time yet to do carefully inspect the latest version of the
>> multiproto. I suspect that nobody did it yet, since I didn't see any technical
>> analysis of the current proposal.
>> I'll carefully review multiproto proposal during my trip, and compare it
>> with the Stoth's proposal.
>>>> I'm aware that your solution seems to be more code-complete than Steven's
>>>> proposal.
>>>> But the recent activity on the mailing list regarding his idea (and its,
>>>> so far, positive feedback) and the fact that I was anyway planning to
>>>> have a discussion about the future of the DVB-API at the Linux Plumbers
>>>> Conference 2008 are supporting me in my idea of post-poning such a pull to
>>>> a point in time shortly after this event.
>>> with whom? the linuxtv developers or with an attending audience?
>> We'll have some sort of panel or speech for the attending audience of the Video input
>> infrastructure miniconf. The API analysis will happen with the Linuxtv
>> developers that will be there.
>>> i havent been on the list and that active since the "nearly two years war" begun,
>>> thus i am not the one to ack or nack in this pull request.
>>> what i did in the past was just watching what was happening and what was taking
>>> progress - even if it is slow.
>>> users on the linuxtv list started to ask over and over again, when multiproto is
>>> going to be merged. vdr started to support it in a kind of experiment.
>>> due to the lack of spare time and devices :) i do not actually know how productive
>>> the vdr multiproto implementation is, but we should not start the whole discussions again.
>>> if we do not merge multiproto now, we will never do it, i am afraid.
>>> for the future of this project it is more than neccessary to get some progress.
>>> if there are no serious objections to multiproto, mauro, please pull/merge it
>>> within the next few days. to wait until the end of september is time spending without
>>> any sense.
>> As I've already explained, merging today or after Plumbers won't make any
>> practical difference. The upstream merge will only happen after 2.6.27 being
>> released, due to the next kernel window for merging patches. This is a major
>> change at API and claims for a carefully analysis.
>> Cheers,
>> Mauro
> as you told us, you wanted to have a look at manu's patchset during plumbers.
> any news on this topic?

would be interesting to see a summary of that 30 minutes talk about
all digital standards :-)

I noticed a link but it was broken all over..


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