[vdr] Re: Reference RC (was DXR3 support patch for vdr-1.1.5)

["Thomas Jagoditsch" <t.ja@gmx.at>]

> > Maybe we should look for a "reference" Remote Control (or a set of
> > reference keys which is enough .. not too much and not too little)
> > and use this rc for developing.
> 
> I believe I already did that when I defined the original set of keys
> for VDR. The Concept is based on the presence of cursor movement keys

i think you had primary your own remote in mind (and thats ok by me), 
but its not to common.

i, OTOH, use vdr with the third remote now - and only the last one 
now has color keys. the other ones were the learnable system-remotes 
of my av-receiver and none of them had color keys.
one receiver was a sony and the other a denon, so in my experience it 
looks like color-keys are not common to system-remotes but to sat-
remotes and tv-remotes.

one of the nice thing with the system-remotes is the possible control 
of all your equipment - but it was too hard to remember the vdr-keys 
(especially with the remote of my denon receiver) so i purchased a 
(rather expensive) learnable remote with color keys.

so i can understand why someone would like to have a more generic way 
to sort out functions-to-key mappings - i wished it too that time.

as some others said - nobody _has_ to do his own mappings - the 
defaults would work anyway. but you _can_ do it.

> otherwise. It cannot be that the various plugins all define their own
> sets of keys and force users to have either several different RCs, or
> one large piece of equipment that has so many keys that nobody can
> moemorize all their meanings.

i agree with that - standardize as long as it is possible.
dvd is a special case here. you got to have navigation keys (AFAIK 
you need all 8 directions on some dvds - ?!?) plus the common control-
keys (play, pause, etc ...). number-keys are IMHO optional.

lets face it, sometimes ist hard to make a sound mapping, especially 
if you are bound to the restrictions of someone who has a totally 
different remote ...

> Please, let's keep things simple!

there is nothing easier than two linked lists.
there is a good reason why termcap and the applications on top of it 
used that architecture long times ago - the problem was the same 
these days with ascii-terminals.

wbr.tja...

ps:
i really really love vdr and its a daily used thing to me - tv is not 
the same as before.
despite "zeit im bild" i am used to "choose" now. most of the time i 
watch recordings (thanks to vdradmin, too) and i got no more "dull-
zapping-evenings".
in recent discussions here i sometimes get the feeling that you feel 
uncomfortable with critics on "your" code. OTOH some ppl get 
frustrated with your response to changes that are minor (to them 
anyway *G*).
i hope this issue will be resolved at the time the plugin-system is 
workin.
critics (mine and others) doesnt mean "vdr is not good" but "look 
what vdr could be if ...".
if vdr wasnt good nobody would care anyway ... but we care !

-- 
thomas jagoditsch
mail t.ja@gmx.at