hi u'r right Thomas, i dislike to spend more money :( Guido, u mean i can use mplayer to see vdr output? ive seen some mplayer related plugins, but it seemed to be plugins to see avi files with vdr, or it isnt? :$ -- Info: To unsubscribe send a mail to ecartis@linuxtv.org with "unsubscribe vdr" as subject.