Hi,
... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one seems to be very dead. Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line. For this it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.
Werner
Am 09.02.2012 16:33, schrieb Dr. Werner Fink:
Hi,
... yep, I'm aware of http://upnp.vdr-developer.org/ but this one seems to be very dead. Nevertheless I'd like to use a VDR as recording system only using the second coax line maybe extended by uncable to use two transponders over one coax line. For this it would be perfect to be able to manage, control, and navigate the VDR and its menues over the DLNA support of this new TV.
Werner
Hi,
i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry. Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV) on your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings, start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media, unfortunatelly.
DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It will be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years that devices implementors will support them as they are mostly optional. I even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner service capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case, you would be able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or by chan-up/chan-down).
Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG stream. There is a possibility to transmit text based date, but this is not being supported by any TV device I know.
Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much: you may exchange media from one device to another. You can share media of a certain device to others and let them play it. But you cannot play files which are not supported by the device, even though it may play the files directly for instance via USB. Sounds ridiculous, but works as designed.
I work on an work-a-round to support scheduling records via browser navigation. But, this is not very user friendly because you have to "play" every command and simulate a media file to the TV. Every DLNA server must support a web page where the server allows to show additional information. I will use live among others in this case, as it seems to do everything needed.
I hope this will help, somehow. Please let me know, if you miss something to be supported.
Denis
Hi,
On Thu, 09.02.12, at 20:45 Denis Loh denis.loh@googlemail.com wrote:
Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much:
Thanks a lot for this clarification in contrast to the usual adulation for DLNA. :)
Radi.
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 08:45:16PM +0100, Denis Loh wrote:
Hi,
i am still working on it. However, progess is very slow, sorry. Nevertheless, you cannot control the vdr the way you expected. An default DLNA server only allows you to show media files (and live TV) on your DLNA or UPnP capable device. You cannot schedule recordings, start/stop the server or do anything beside watching media, unfortunatelly.
DLNA does not specify those features in its current version 1.5. It will be supported in 2.0 and above, however it may take some years that devices implementors will support them as they are mostly optional. I even haven't seen any TV device which supports the tuner service capability of a DLNA media server very well (In this case, you would be able to switch channels by pressing a channel number or by chan-up/chan-down).
Additionally, it won't be possible to show any EPG or OSD on an DLNA device without work-a-rounds, like transcoding EPG/OSD into an MPEG stream. There is a possibility to transmit text based date, but this is not being supported by any TV device I know.
Well, DLNA sounds perfect when you don't expect too much: you may exchange media from one device to another. You can share media of a certain device to others and let them play it. But you cannot play files which are not supported by the device, even though it may play the files directly for instance via USB. Sounds ridiculous, but works as designed.
I work on an work-a-round to support scheduling records via browser navigation. But, this is not very user friendly because you have to "play" every command and simulate a media file to the TV. Every DLNA server must support a web page where the server allows to show additional information. I will use live among others in this case, as it seems to do everything needed.
I hope this will help, somehow. Please let me know, if you miss something to be supported.
Hmmm ... maybe HbbTV would be an option. Let's say for handling the VDR. Otherwise I would like to avoid softdevice as well as expensive full featured HDTV DVB-cards.
Werner
i am still working on it.
I have a feature reuqest for the vdr dlna server.
I bought a tv and fast forwarding through the dlna is terribly slow (tried minidlna) and there are no "skip one minute" or "goto hh:mm" etc. functionality at all.
Skipping minute forward, backward and "goto hh:mm" like vdr does could be implemented in the dlna server. Then the user could send these commands to te server which would do the skipping (its easy when we have the vdr index files). Of course controlling can't be done with the dlna client remote control and doing this with multiple dlna clients is not so simple (need separate remote control for each client, etc).
Another idea:
Vdr in a cheap computer that is not able to decode and deinterlace the video properly. Connect a dlna cabable tv to the dvi output of the computer and the tv to the same network as the computer. Then it will be possible to create a cDlnaDevice that will draw osd on an X11 window and send all video to the dlna client. If the tv is remote controllable through serial port or ethernet then switching from video to osd and back could be automatic. Of course it wouldn't be osd any more, but menus could be used anyway. Unfortunately subtitles wouldn't work at all unless the tv supported them.
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Pim
Am 10.02.2012 18:07, schrieb Pim Zandbergen:
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Pim
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Ack! These combination should work as there are many users who reported a working setup.
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but I thought that hbbTV is sent by the broadcasters themselves. Maybe someone has spent some time to work on a smartTV (e.g. for samsung) app, which can be installed and used by the user.
Denis
I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.
On 2/10/2012 1:43 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye
Howdy!
There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch: http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/d...
I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available, it's just all empty.
When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:
UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201. UPnP server message: ===== Browsing ===== UPnP server message: ID: 0 UPnP server message: Browse metadata UPnP server message: Filter: @id,upnp:class,res,res@protocolInfo,res@av:authenticationUri,res@size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,res@dlna:ifoFileURI,res@protection,res@bitrate,res@duration,res@sampleFrequency,res@bitsPerSample,res@nrAudioChannels,res@resolution,res@colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:albumArtURI@dlna:profileID,res@dlna:cleartextSize
UPnP server message: Offset: 0 UPnP server message: Count: 1 UPnP server message: Sort: (null) UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed
-- Teemu
2012/2/12 Timothy D. Lenz tlenz@vorgon.com:
I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.
On 2/10/2012 1:43 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye
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Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly. However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out, which of these parameters is the offending one.
2012/2/16 Teemu Suikki tsuikki@zuik.org:
Howdy!
There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch: http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/d...
I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available, it's just all empty.
When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:
UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201. UPnP server message: ===== Browsing ===== UPnP server message: ID: 0 UPnP server message: Browse metadata UPnP server message: Filter: @id,upnp:class,res,res@protocolInfo,res@av:authenticationUri,res@size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,res@dlna:ifoFileURI,res@protection,res@bitrate,res@duration,res@sampleFrequency,res@bitsPerSample,res@nrAudioChannels,res@resolution,res@colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:albumArtURI@dlna:profileID,res@dlna:cleartextSize
UPnP server message: Offset: 0 UPnP server message: Count: 1 UPnP server message: Sort: (null) UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed
-- Teemu
2012/2/12 Timothy D. Lenz tlenz@vorgon.com:
I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.
On 2/10/2012 1:43 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye
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Hi,
I think there is something else wrong, nothing is shown on my ubuntu box either with Totem player.. It should be very basic upnp player.
-- Teemu
2012/2/16 Denis Loh denis.loh@googlemail.com:
Actually, I think some of the properties are not well formatted. UPnP defines a strict pattern, which I implemented (hopefully) properly. However, some devices may ignore this pattern. I will try to find out, which of these parameters is the offending one.
2012/2/16 Teemu Suikki tsuikki@zuik.org:
Howdy!
There is an installation instructions for vdr-plugin-upnp here: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Upnp-plugin
I also installed libupnp-1.6.6 with this dlna patch: http://svn.assembla.com/svn/VDR-M7x0/trunk/toolchain/patches/libupnp/1.6.6/d...
I'm using the plugin with VDR 1.7.15 and Playstation3. PS3 detects the VDR correctly, but there are no recordings or live channels available, it's just all empty.
When looking at the log file (with -vvvvv), i see this:
UPnP server message: Browse requested by 192.168.0.201. UPnP server message: ===== Browsing ===== UPnP server message: ID: 0 UPnP server message: Browse metadata UPnP server message: Filter: @id,upnp:class,res,res@protocolInfo,res@av:authenticationUri,res@size,dc:title,upnp:albumArtURI,res@dlna:ifoFileURI,res@protection,res@bitrate,res@duration,res@sampleFrequency,res@bitsPerSample,res@nrAudioChannels,res@resolution,res@colorDepth,dc:date,av:dateTime,upnp:artist,upnp:album,upnp:genre,dc:contributer,upnp:storageFree,upnp:storageUsed,upnp:originalTrackNumber,dc:publisher,dc:language,dc:region,dc:description,upnp:toc,@childCount,upnp:albumArtURI@dlna:profileID,res@dlna:cleartextSize
UPnP server message: Offset: 0 UPnP server message: Count: 1 UPnP server message: Sort: (null) UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server message: Pushing property UPnP server error:Parsing filter failed
-- Teemu
2012/2/12 Timothy D. Lenz tlenz@vorgon.com:
I'm interested in this also, but we have 2 Sony Bravias. Hacking the Tv not an option. I do know that on ours, for youtube, you can do searches and stuff using an on screen alphabet that follows the letter to number grouping you see on phones. So it does have a way to enter stuff.
On 2/10/2012 1:43 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
Al 10/02/12 18:07, En/na Pim Zandbergen ha escrit:
I suppose you could use mediatomb with vdrnfofs to share your recordings.
Or hack the TV to simply nfs mount the directory with the recordings
Bye
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-- Teemu Suikki http://www.z-power.fi/
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