Op Di, 25 november, 2008 03:59, schreef VDR User:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Nicolas Huillard nicolas@huillard.net wrote:
It's still good news to know that open-source software allowing current fanless integrated motherboards to decode HDTV at ~10% CPU is on its way...
Going from 87% of 2 cores, to ~10% of an entry level CPU is good, specially when the load is taken care of by existing chips.
I agree on that point. I would rather have ~10% or ~20% then the regular 57% per core on my Core 2 Quad system when I view H264 channels of my provider.
Yes, I agree. Just pointing out that you certainly do not need a quad core, that's all. Also, the price of the cpu is the same whether you're using 87% or 10% of it. ;) The point is you can already have cheap HDTV without using the new Nvidia api.
Well, in my case I do. When I view BBCHD, ArteHD, AnixeHD or the AstraHD channels I don't encounter many problems. Image is clear and no stutter. But as soon as I watch the 1080i/H264 channels of my provider (Canal Digitaal) on Astra 23.5e, I have major stuttering. BravaTV in HD doesn't have much problems, but NGC HD and Discovery HD is an other matter. My Core 2 Duo just couldn't handle it with FFMPeg and Xine-lib 1.2. But since I've put in a Core 2 Quad, I'm able to watch those channels even with fast moving images :)
I'd like to have full-HDTV on a single x86 mini-ITX board. I'm now seeing this will happen soon enough, and I'll wait until then before I spend money on new hardware.
Yes it's nice! My goal is diskless, fanless, low power consumption dedicated HDTV box. Very small, very low cost!
I again agree :) I would like an additional HDTV box in my bedroom. It needs to have the options you wrote. But I don't want a Popcorn or some other kind of device. I want the option to enhance it myself (flexability) so I'm waiting desperately for GPU based decoding of H264 and VC-1 transport streams :)
Niels Wagenaar
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Niels Wagenaar n.wagenaar@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes it's nice! My goal is diskless, fanless, low power consumption dedicated HDTV box. Very small, very low cost!
I again agree :) I would like an additional HDTV box in my bedroom. It needs to have the options you wrote. But I don't want a Popcorn or some other kind of device. I want the option to enhance it myself (flexability) so I'm waiting desperately for GPU based decoding of H264 and VC-1 transport streams :)
I know many guys who have their mouth watering at Popcorn Hour but I just don't see the reason to be so excited. I guess I'm more the kind of guy who likes the flexibility as you've stated. I've never been a fan of stb's either.
new nice benchmarks from Phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_vdpau_gpu&... HD Video Playback With A $20 CPU & $30 GPU On Linux
Goga777 schrieb:
new nice benchmarks from Phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_vdpau_gpu&... HD Video Playback With A $20 CPU & $30 GPU On Linux
As far as I can see there is no (cheap) PCI/AGP-Version of a VDPAU-enabled nvidia chip available :/
I guess it needs to be a cheap IGP then, like the GeForce 8200 or 8300.
- jan
Hi, There are some mainboard chips available. i think we can build vdr's based on a onboard nvidia chip with vdpau. BR. halim
Hi,
This ASUS board would be suitable;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2579&l1=3&l2...
Andrew
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Halim Sahin halim.sahin@t-online.dewrote:
Hi, There are some mainboard chips available. i think we can build vdr's based on a onboard nvidia chip with vdpau. BR. halim
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Andrew Herron wrote:
Hi,
This ASUS board would be suitable;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2579&l1=3&l2...
Too small, not enough pci-slots, minimum three pci-slots needed. Four or five pci-slots would be nice.
Am Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:55:52 +0200 schrieb Lauri Tischler lwgt@iki.fi:
Andrew Herron wrote:
Hi,
This ASUS board would be suitable;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2579&l1=3&l2...
Too small, not enough pci-slots, minimum three pci-slots needed. Four or five pci-slots would be nice.
And wrong cpu, I think I will buy this one: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_8200_mobos&... If I would need anyway a graphics card, then a big cooler would only block a pci-e slot. The cpu socket is more near to the back side of the motherboard than on many other mainboards. So I would get more space between the cpu cooler and the cd rom drive in my S16T case.
Gerald
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:55:52 +0200 schrieb Lauri Tischler lwgt@iki.fi:
Andrew Herron wrote:
Hi,
This ASUS board would be suitable;
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2579&l1=3&l2...
Too small, not enough pci-slots, minimum three pci-slots needed. Four or five pci-slots would be nice.
And wrong cpu, I think I will buy this one: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_8200_mobos&... If I would need anyway a graphics card, then a big cooler would only block a pci-e slot. The cpu socket is more near to the back side of the motherboard than on many other mainboards. So I would get more space between the cpu cooler and the cd rom drive in my S16T case.
Gerald
Hi.
I was thinking on getting this one: Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H with a VDPAU working GeForce 9400 integrated onboard.
But the problem remains. I need at least 3 PCI slots. So, any suggestions on other boards with VDPAU *supported* chips?
Chris
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Chris Silva 2manybills@gmail.com wrote:
I was thinking on getting this one: Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H with a VDPAU working GeForce 9400 integrated onboard.
But the problem remains. I need at least 3 PCI slots. So, any suggestions on other boards with VDPAU *supported* chips?
The EVGA 113-YW-E115-TR has 3 PCI slots and an on-board 9300. I don't think you'll find that many options available if you want a newer gpu with 3+ old PCI slots. Everything is being transitioned to PCI-E so that many slots of an old bus technology while everything else is new is asking a lot.
Good luck though. Please let us know the outcome!
If PCI slots not enough on board, you can switch to USB DVB-S/S2 devices. For example Tevii S650 (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TeVii_S650)
Regards Oleg Roitburd
Sorry for the direct mail.
Quoting Chris Silva 2manybills@gmail.com:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_8200_mobos&... If I would need anyway a graphics card, then a big cooler would only block a pci-e slot. The cpu socket is more near to the back side of the motherboard than on many other mainboards. So I would get more space between the cpu cooler and the cd rom drive in my S16T case.
But the problem remains. I need at least 3 PCI slots. So, any suggestions on other boards with VDPAU *supported* chips?
What makes you so sure that the 8200 chipset is not supported? Of course I have read this http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124458, but I have found this too: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53474&postcount=39 . On other places I could read that the only differences between 8200 and 9300 are the smaller manufacturing process, clock speed and number of shaders.
Here it is even mentioned explicitly http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1873716
Gerald
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Quoting Pertti Kosunen pertti.kosunen@pp.nic.fi:
Gerald Dachs wrote:
What makes you so sure that the 8200 chipset is not supported?
It is VDPAU supported, but AFAIK can't decode VC-1.
But what about this post: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53474&postcount=39 He must be wrong or you.
Does somebody know the gpu that is used by the 8200 chipset? Is it not G98?
Gerald
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Gerald Dachs schrieb:
Quoting Pertti Kosunen pertti.kosunen@pp.nic.fi:
Gerald Dachs wrote:
What makes you so sure that the 8200 chipset is not supported?
It is VDPAU supported, but AFAIK can't decode VC-1.
But what about this post: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53474&postcount=39 He must be wrong or you.
Does somebody know the gpu that is used by the 8200 chipset? Is it not G98?
Gerald
Hi,
the 8200/8300 chipsets are based on the G86, the frontend bitstream pipeline is still decoded by the CPU. The 9300/9400 chipsets should support full VC-1 hardware decode, they are based on the 98.
Kind regards
Gerald Dachs schrieb:
Quoting Pertti Kosunen pertti.kosunen@pp.nic.fi:
Gerald Dachs wrote:
What makes you so sure that the 8200 chipset is not supported?
It is VDPAU supported, but AFAIK can't decode VC-1.
But what about this post: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=53474&postcount=39 He must be wrong or you.
Does somebody know the gpu that is used by the 8200 chipset? Is it not G98?
Some information here; http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/11036/PureVideo_Product_Comparison.pdf
Quoting Torgeir Veimo torgeir@pobox.com:
Some information here; http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/11036/PureVideo_Product_Comparison.pdf
Not very helpful, it doesn't contain the mentioned chipsets.
Gerald
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Torgeir Veimo a écrit :
Does somebody know the gpu that is used by the 8200 chipset? Is it not G98?
Some information here; http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/11036/PureVideo_Product_Comparison.pdf
Is PureVideo the same as VDPAU ?
If so, my old (1 year) GeForce 6150 desktop mobo should accelarate H264, which is a good news, since in my understanding, VDPAU was only for real new hardware.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Nicolas Huillard nicolas@huillard.net wrote:
If so, my old (1 year) GeForce 6150 desktop mobo should accelarate H264, which is a good news, since in my understanding, VDPAU was only for real new hardware.
One of my boxes has a 6150 so of course I would love if it could accelerate h264 in hardware! I don't think it does though.
Am Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:18:51 +0100 schrieb Nicolas Huillard nicolas@huillard.net:
Torgeir Veimo a écrit :
Does somebody know the gpu that is used by the 8200 chipset? Is it not G98?
Some information here; http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/11036/PureVideo_Product_Comparison.pdf
Is PureVideo the same as VDPAU ?
Definitively not, maybe PureVideo HD, but never PureVideo. Currently even not all PureVideo HD devices are supported. as I told already in my other post, this document is not very helpful.
Gerald
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