I am always having some problems like stuttering with FF card and now restart problems with DXR card (sometimes while in menu vdr stops and restarts) and thus I would like to have oppinions and suggestions. And also information.
Therefore these two questions: 1. In which different video output methods is WSS signal carried out? I know it comes out from FF card and AVS7170 based DXR card but how about others? 2. And what would be the best output method?
BR \Kartsa
I recommend the Vomp plugin. I have been using this for standard definition TV for some time now. It is highly stable and hardly ever requires restarting. I can confirm it has WAF.
It supports automatic scart switching and WSS via scart. WSS is also available via line 21 PAL if you are not using scart (I cannot confirm if WSS is supported under NTSC). It supports RGB, s-video or composite video.
Vomp requires a Hauppauge MediaMVP set top box. The RGB output on these have sync-on-green which can cause problems with some Sony Bravia LCD televisions.
Vomp has its own menu system and OSD so there is no access to the VDR osd or plugin menus. To access the VDR osd and plugin menus you can use Vomp with any other display system such as ncurses. I use the Xine plugin to access the epgsearch plugin.
Kartsa kari@kniivila.com wrote: I am always having some problems like stuttering with FF card and now restart problems with DXR card (sometimes while in menu vdr stops and restarts) and thus I would like to have oppinions and suggestions. And also information.
Therefore these two questions: 1. In which different video output methods is WSS signal carried out? I know it comes out from FF card and AVS7170 based DXR card but how about others? 2. And what would be the best output method?
BR \Kartsa
_______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
--------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.
I'm terribly hurt by that. you can't imagine.
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:12:59 +0100 (BST), you wrote:
I recommend the Vomp plugin. I have been using this for standard definition TV for some time now. It is highly stable and hardly ever requires restarting. I can confirm it has WAF.
It supports automatic scart switching and WSS via scart. WSS is also available via line 21 PAL if you are not using scart (I cannot confirm if WSS is supported under NTSC). It supports RGB, s-video or composite video.
Vomp requires a Hauppauge MediaMVP set top box. The RGB output on these have sync-on-green which can cause problems with some Sony Bravia LCD televisions.
Vomp has its own menu system and OSD so there is no access to the VDR osd or plugin menus. To access the VDR osd and plugin menus you can use Vomp with any other display system such as ncurses. I use the Xine plugin to access the epgsearch plugin.
Kartsa kari@kniivila.com wrote: I am always having some problems like stuttering with FF card and now restart problems with DXR card (sometimes while in menu vdr stops and restarts) and thus I would like to have oppinions and suggestions. And also information.
Therefore these two questions:
- In which different video output methods is WSS signal carried out? I
know it comes out from FF card and AVS7170 based DXR card but how about others? 2. And what would be the best output method?
BR \Kartsa
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.
VOMP plugin is actually quite good and I have been using it with my "second" TV in the bedroom. One of the best thigs about it is that it's so small :) The problem is it does not support subtitling which is a must in Finland (I forgot to add that in my original post).
How about the other MediaMVP related output methods (MediaMVP Plugin, MVPServer, MVPVdr). Do they support subtitles?
\Kartsa
db kirjoitti:
I'm terribly hurt by that. you can't imagine.
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:12:59 +0100 (BST), you wrote:
I recommend the Vomp plugin. I have been using this for standard definition TV for some time now. It is highly stable and hardly ever requires restarting. I can confirm it has WAF.
It supports automatic scart switching and WSS via scart. WSS is also available via line 21 PAL if you are not using scart (I cannot confirm if WSS is supported under NTSC). It supports RGB, s-video or composite video.
Vomp requires a Hauppauge MediaMVP set top box. The RGB output on these have sync-on-green which can cause problems with some Sony Bravia LCD televisions.
Vomp has its own menu system and OSD so there is no access to the VDR osd or plugin menus. To access the VDR osd and plugin menus you can use Vomp with any other display system such as ncurses. I use the Xine plugin to access the epgsearch plugin.
Kartsa kari@kniivila.com wrote: I am always having some problems like stuttering with FF card and now restart problems with DXR card (sometimes while in menu vdr stops and restarts) and thus I would like to have oppinions and suggestions. And also information.
Therefore these two questions:
- In which different video output methods is WSS signal carried out? I
know it comes out from FF card and AVS7170 based DXR card but how about others? 2. And what would be the best output method?
BR \Kartsa
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
I agree, I have 3 Mvp's, and the setup works well, although the latest boxes create problems if they're reset too quickly. There are some patches in the latest CVS which fix the problem if VDR can't play a stream (without the patch, VOMP just appears to go to sleep). My main desire would be the ability to change audio language. At the moment I have to manually hack the channels.conf file to put my preferred language first and then set VDR to not update pids.
The picture quality is better than my Dreambox on Scart. Obviously no HD playback, but then my setup can't handle that yet anyway.
On 12 Oct 2007, at 22:34, Kartsa wrote:
VOMP plugin is actually quite good and I have been using it with my "second" TV in the bedroom. One of the best thigs about it is that it's so small :) The problem is it does not support subtitling which is a must in Finland (I forgot to add that in my original post).
How about the other MediaMVP related output methods (MediaMVP Plugin, MVPServer, MVPVdr). Do they support subtitles?
\Kartsa
db kirjoitti:
Haven't anyone got any experience in these other MediaMVP based solutions? I have been thinking to test MVPVdr but haven't had the time and if someone else has some knowledge allready I would be most interested in hearing.
Rob Davis kirjoitti:
I agree, I have 3 Mvp's, and the setup works well, although the latest boxes create problems if they're reset too quickly. There are some patches in the latest CVS which fix the problem if VDR can't play a stream (without the patch, VOMP just appears to go to sleep). My main desire would be the ability to change audio language. At the moment I have to manually hack the channels.conf file to put my preferred language first and then set VDR to not update pids.
The picture quality is better than my Dreambox on Scart. Obviously no HD playback, but then my setup can't handle that yet anyway.
On 12 Oct 2007, at 22:34, Kartsa wrote:
VOMP plugin is actually quite good and I have been using it with my "second" TV in the bedroom. One of the best thigs about it is that it's so small :) The problem is it does not support subtitling which is a must in Finland (I forgot to add that in my original post).
How about the other MediaMVP related output methods (MediaMVP Plugin, MVPServer, MVPVdr). Do they support subtitles?
\Kartsa
According to the MVPvdr website http://www.rst38.org.uk/mediamvp/mvpvdr.html there appears to be no way to set timers so I have never been tempted to try it out.
I failed to get an early version of the MediaMVP plugin to work many years ago.
Vomp is still being developed so maybe you should join the forum http://www.loggytronic.com/forum/
Stuart
Kartsa kari@kniivila.com wrote: Haven't anyone got any experience in these other MediaMVP based solutions? I have been thinking to test MVPVdr but haven't had the time and if someone else has some knowledge allready I would be most interested in hearing.
Rob Davis kirjoitti:
I agree, I have 3 Mvp's, and the setup works well, although the latest boxes create problems if they're reset too quickly. There are some patches in the latest CVS which fix the problem if VDR can't play a stream (without the patch, VOMP just appears to go to sleep). My main desire would be the ability to change audio language. At the moment I have to manually hack the channels.conf file to put my preferred language first and then set VDR to not update pids.
The picture quality is better than my Dreambox on Scart. Obviously no HD playback, but then my setup can't handle that yet anyway.
On 12 Oct 2007, at 22:34, Kartsa wrote:
VOMP plugin is actually quite good and I have been using it with my "second" TV in the bedroom. One of the best thigs about it is that it's so small :) The problem is it does not support subtitling which is a must in Finland (I forgot to add that in my original post).
How about the other MediaMVP related output methods (MediaMVP Plugin, MVPServer, MVPVdr). Do they support subtitles?
\Kartsa
_______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
--------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Stuart Morris wrote:
According to the MVPvdr website http://www.rst38.org.uk/mediamvp/mvpvdr.html there appears to be no way to set timers so I have never been tempted to try it out.
I failed to get an early version of the MediaMVP plugin to work many years ago.
Vomp is still being developed so maybe you should join the forum http://www.loggytronic.com/forum/
Vomp seems to work quite well. I have an older (H2) MediaMVP which I use on a tele' upstairs, mainly for watching recordings but live TV also works. I think it does have the ability to set timers (on the remote vdr server) but I've never tried that.
I also have a newer (H4) MediaMVP which I've never managed to get to work but I think it's meant to. These things load a firmware using TFTP when you boot them and they seem quite picky about which files they will download (or not in the case of the newer one!).
It was fairly easy to set the older one up but you do need a DHCP server (to point the MediaMVP at a TFTP server) and a TFTP server to serve the firmware. Both of these are built in to the vompserver plugin but I never managed to get them to work! I'm already running a DHCP server on a different machine so I'm using that to point the MediaMVP at my main vdr box which is running a stand-alone TFTP server.
Might sound complicated but it works (at least for the older one!).
Some things it is missing (as far as I can tell) are trickspeed playback and editing functions, and some of the remote buttons do different things from how I've got my main vdr remote set up. It allows playback of recordings to be resumed but it uses its own resume files, so if you are halfway through watching a recording on the real vdr system, it will replay from the beginning on the vomp box!
I'm not sure I'd want it as my main way of using vdr (lacks some useful features) but is very good for use as a second system. Also much quieter than the old PC I had as a second vdr system upstairs!
Cheers,
Laz
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Laz wrote:
Vomp seems to work quite well. I have an older (H2) MediaMVP which I use on a tele' upstairs, mainly for watching recordings but live TV also works. I think it does have the ability to set timers (on the remote vdr server) but I've never tried that.
Forgot to add: there is also a windows version of the client software which runs on the MediaMVP. This means you can watch live TV, recordings, etc. in a window under m$ windross. Not sure if this has many advantages over something like a streaming plugin and a stream player. I suppose you can add timers.
Cheers,
Laz
Laz kirjoitti:
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Laz wrote:
Vomp seems to work quite well. I have an older (H2) MediaMVP which I use on a tele' upstairs, mainly for watching recordings but live TV also works. I think it does have the ability to set timers (on the remote vdr server) but I've never tried that.
Forgot to add: there is also a windows version of the client software which runs on the MediaMVP. This means you can watch live TV, recordings, etc. in a window under m$ windross. Not sure if this has many advantages over something like a streaming plugin and a stream player. I suppose you can add timers.
I tried the windows version also but I am having strange problems with the client hanging. The usage (and the capabilities) should me the same as with the real thing since the client loads the same dongle as the mediamvp does.
\Kartsa
Laz kirjoitti:
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Stuart Morris wrote:
According to the MVPvdr website http://www.rst38.org.uk/mediamvp/mvpvdr.html there appears to be no way to set timers so I have never been tempted to try it out.
I failed to get an early version of the MediaMVP plugin to work many years ago.
Vomp is still being developed so maybe you should join the forum http://www.loggytronic.com/forum/
Vomp seems to work quite well. I have an older (H2) MediaMVP which I use on a tele' upstairs, mainly for watching recordings but live TV also works. I think it does have the ability to set timers (on the remote vdr server) but I've never tried that.
I also have a newer (H4) MediaMVP which I've never managed to get to work but I think it's meant to. These things load a firmware using TFTP when you boot them and they seem quite picky about which files they will download (or not in the case of the newer one!).
It was fairly easy to set the older one up but you do need a DHCP server (to point the MediaMVP at a TFTP server) and a TFTP server to serve the firmware. Both of these are built in to the vompserver plugin but I never managed to get them to work! I'm already running a DHCP server on a different machine so I'm using that to point the MediaMVP at my main vdr box which is running a stand-alone TFTP server.
Might sound complicated but it works (at least for the older one!).
Some things it is missing (as far as I can tell) are trickspeed playback and editing functions, and some of the remote buttons do different things from how I've got my main vdr remote set up. It allows playback of recordings to be resumed but it uses its own resume files, so if you are halfway through watching a recording on the real vdr system, it will replay from the beginning on the vomp box!
I'm not sure I'd want it as my main way of using vdr (lacks some useful features) but is very good for use as a second system. Also much quieter than the old PC I had as a second vdr system upstairs!
As I said, I have a MediaMVP and Vompserver running. Have had for some time now (six months or so). The biggest problem is the lack of support for subtitles. And I agree that as with the current properties I am not going to use this as my main device. And you can not edit timers with it only wiev them. Also I would like for the resume to be possible while changing from vdr to mediamvp or vv. But anyway it is good for as a second device in the bedroom. It's small and makes no sound and you can use it for wieving live tv or recordings.
And for Stuart, I joined the forum a long time ago :)
Still remains to be answered if anyone has tried MVPVdr?
\Kartsa
Because Vomp does not provide the VDR osd this does present a unique set of desirable and undesirable features.
However the two features I find more desirable than anything else is full support for interlaced scart PAL with WSS and it is stable. This is the ticket to domestic use. IMHO this is the Achilles heal of all HTPC applications including VDR.
Despite the great effort many VDR developers have put into output methods, there remain problems that prevent use in a domestic environment. I used a DXR3 for years but could never rely on it because it crashed so often. Softdevice, xine and xineliboutput require a pc that consumes too much energy to achieve a smooth output. I have not tried a premium DVB card but they are expensive, rare and I hear reports they often crash to. I am curious to know how good a VIA EPIA mini itx board would be.
Stuart
Kartsa kari@kniivila.com wrote: Laz kirjoitti:
On Tuesday 16 Oct 2007, Stuart Morris wrote:
According to the MVPvdr website http://www.rst38.org.uk/mediamvp/mvpvdr.html there appears to be no way to set timers so I have never been tempted to try it out.
I failed to get an early version of the MediaMVP plugin to work many years ago.
Vomp is still being developed so maybe you should join the forum http://www.loggytronic.com/forum/
Vomp seems to work quite well. I have an older (H2) MediaMVP which I use on a tele' upstairs, mainly for watching recordings but live TV also works. I think it does have the ability to set timers (on the remote vdr server) but I've never tried that.
I also have a newer (H4) MediaMVP which I've never managed to get to work but I think it's meant to. These things load a firmware using TFTP when you boot them and they seem quite picky about which files they will download (or not in the case of the newer one!).
It was fairly easy to set the older one up but you do need a DHCP server (to point the MediaMVP at a TFTP server) and a TFTP server to serve the firmware. Both of these are built in to the vompserver plugin but I never managed to get them to work! I'm already running a DHCP server on a different machine so I'm using that to point the MediaMVP at my main vdr box which is running a stand-alone TFTP server.
Might sound complicated but it works (at least for the older one!).
Some things it is missing (as far as I can tell) are trickspeed playback and editing functions, and some of the remote buttons do different things from how I've got my main vdr remote set up. It allows playback of recordings to be resumed but it uses its own resume files, so if you are halfway through watching a recording on the real vdr system, it will replay from the beginning on the vomp box!
I'm not sure I'd want it as my main way of using vdr (lacks some useful features) but is very good for use as a second system. Also much quieter than the old PC I had as a second vdr system upstairs!
As I said, I have a MediaMVP and Vompserver running. Have had for some time now (six months or so). The biggest problem is the lack of support for subtitles. And I agree that as with the current properties I am not going to use this as my main device. And you can not edit timers with it only wiev them. Also I would like for the resume to be possible while changing from vdr to mediamvp or vv. But anyway it is good for as a second device in the bedroom. It's small and makes no sound and you can use it for wieving live tv or recordings.
And for Stuart, I joined the forum a long time ago :)
Still remains to be answered if anyone has tried MVPVdr?
\Kartsa
_______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
--------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.
-
db -
Kartsa -
Laz -
Rob Davis -
Seppo Ingalsuo -
Stuart Morris