Klaus Schmidinger wrote :

Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

Klaus

I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 ! The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

On 21 May 2008, at 20:53, Pierre-Yves Paranthoen (PERSO) wrote:

I was wondering if there was a way to compensate the lack of EPG (satellite) datas on some channels.

xmltv is your friend.

Pierre-Yves Paranthoen (PERSO) a écrit :

Hi,

I was wondering if there was a way to compensate the lack of EPG (satellite) datas on some channels. I'm on ASTRA 19.2.

Thanks, regards

Pierre

If you are talking about the french channels, you can use mhwepg http://jrepetto.free.fr .

Pierre-Yves Paranthoen (PERSO) a écrit :

Hi JC,

Yes indeed, for french channels. This utility seems to be aging. Did you use it recently ?

Merci

Pierre

Canal Satellite Mediasat boxes are much older (1996) ! I had a report that mhwepg was still working in last december.

Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:

Klaus Schmidinger wrote :

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Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

Klaus

I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 ! The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and fix it to work with 1.7.0.

Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:

Lauri Tischler a écrit :

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Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:

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Klaus Schmidinger wrote :

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Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

Klaus

I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 ! The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and fix it to work with 1.7.0.

Yes, I know, but I think this should be supported by VDR in the standard version. Lots of people have two dishes pointing to different satellites.

It is supported by using multi-input lnb's and diseqc-switches :)

Igor wrote:

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Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:

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Lauri Tischler a Иcrit :

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Jean-Claude Repetto wrote:

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Klaus Schmidinger wrote :

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Plain vanilly VDR assumes that every DVB-S card can receive all satellites.

Klaus

I hope this will be configurable in VDR 1.8 ! The LNB type should also be configurable for each DVB card (I am still using a Full-band LNB on my motorized dish).

There used to be 'sourcecaps patch' somewhere, dig it up and fix it to work with 1.7.0.

Yes, I know, but I think this should be supported by VDR in the standard version. Lots of people have two dishes pointing to different satellites.

It is supported by using multi-input lnb's and diseqc-switches :)

could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

- take 3 pc of 4-1 diseqc switch, one for each card - use quad-lnb's on each dish crossconnect all lnb's to all diseqc-switches

Mattia Rossi wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:33 +0400 Igor goga777@bk.ru wrote:

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could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

Hmm, using this switch ? http://www.spaun.de/?lang=en&modul=products&product=842379&produ...

Good God NO, just a simple 4 input diseqc-switch, one for each card, price something like 10-30€ each

Mattia Rossi wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:01:22 +0300 Lauri Tischler lwgt@iki.fi wrote:

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Mattia Rossi wrote:

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On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:33 +0400 Igor goga777@bk.ru wrote:

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could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

Hmm, using this switch ? http://www.spaun.de/?lang=en&modul=products&product=842379&produ...

Good God NO, just a simple 4 input diseqc-switch, one for each card, price something like 10-30€ each

Well, he didn't ask for the cheapest solution, he only asked how it could be done ;)

By the way, the multiple diseqc switch is ok if the number of dvb terminals is less than 4, for 4 terminal or more the multiswitch solution (it hasn't to be spaun) becomes quickly more convenient in terms of complexity and, eventually, costs

If you also need to mix terrestrial signal to the lot, then it becomes even more desirable.

... but we are digressing :)

if he has never heard of diseqc maybe some basics would be good

http://www.spaun.de/files/8df79_en_DiSEqC_for_Technicians.pdf http://www.spaun.de/?lang=en&modul=adigs

with diseqc you can address a single lnb among a limited number of lnb´s from the "electrical" point there are two ways lets say 2 sat´s and 4 receivers

1. using a lnb with 4 equivalent outputs for every satelite (you could connect a receiver to those outputs and will get all four options high, low, horizontal, vertical on every output, the receiver switches the to its 4 options, same es having 4 single lnb´s) so you would need 4 single passive diseqc switches, one for every receiver shown here: http://www.spaun.de/files/ba406_de_ske11s133.pdf

2. using lnb´s with 4 different outputs (each for h, l, hor., ver., if you connect a receiver you will only have one option at every connector, thats the difference between quad and quattro lnb´s) 2 of those with a multiswitch (input for every option for every sat) you can multiplie all 8 signals (the lnb´s don't have to be "switched" with voltage or tone to a option) and deliver on the 4 receiver outputs whats needed - this installation alway needs external power from 110/220V, usually used for 4 or more receivers

in the situation with 4 sat´s and 2-4 receivers the scenario 1. will usually cheaper

Lauri Tischler wrote:

Igor wrote:

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could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4 SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4 AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4

       Diseqc-switch 1
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-1

Card1 -----| |--- SI-1 | |--- AS-1 | |--- free +--------+

       Diseqc-switch 2
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-2

Card2 -----| |--- SI-2 | |--- AS-2 | |--- free +--------+

       Diseqc-switch 3
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-3

Card3 -----| |--- SI-3 | |--- AS-3 | |--- free +--------+

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Hi, does that really work, or am I misunderstanding a quad-LNB? I though the the 4 outputs of a quad LNB are hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H. Or is that a quattro LNB? So what you are saying is that a quad LNB can supply any of the 4 "freqs/polarization" down any of its 4 connections? Any if required the same signal down all 4 connections?

This solution is certainly a lot cheaper because otherwise he would need 12 input lines, so the spaun would not have worked as it only had 8 Sat input lines. So he would have needed a more expensive model.

Cheers Brian

Brian schrieb:

Lauri Tischler wrote:

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Igor wrote:

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could you explain please how it's possible to connect 3 cards in VDR to 3 LNB's for Hotbird, Sirius, Astra for example with DiSEq-Cswitch

Simple diagram, using quad-lnb's, input of lnbs are called as HB-1, HB-2, HB-3, HB-4 SI-1, SI-2, S1-3, SI-4 AS-1, AS-2, AS-3, AS-4

       Diseqc-switch 1
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-1

Card1 -----| |--- SI-1 | |--- AS-1 | |--- free +--------+

       Diseqc-switch 2
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-2

Card2 -----| |--- SI-2 | |--- AS-2 | |--- free +--------+

       Diseqc-switch 3
        +--------+
        |        |--- HB-3

Card3 -----| |--- SI-3 | |--- AS-3 | |--- free +--------+

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Hi, does that really work, or am I misunderstanding a quad-LNB? I though the the 4 outputs of a quad LNB are hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H. Or is that a quattro LNB? So what you are saying is that a quad LNB can supply any of the 4 "freqs/polarization" down any of its 4 connections? Any if required the same signal down all 4 connections?

This solution is certainly a lot cheaper because otherwise he would need 12 input lines, so the spaun would not have worked as it only had 8 Sat input lines. So he would have needed a more expensive model.

Cheers Brian

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Hi, there are two versions of lnb's with 4 outputs sold, one with 4 identical outputs to feed 4 seperate receivers, (or diseq-c switches) and one with outputs for hi/V lo/V hi/H and Lo/H ment to feed multiswitches. (like the spaun meintioned in another answer...) so beware which version you by, the purpose is always written down on the box. Christoph

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I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

I started with a clean vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels, but it did only for a few.

After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops there. In the DVB menu, update stands on add new transponder

I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as channel not available ).

The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The frequence are always the same. -why is the autoscan not working ? Do I need some transponder file ?

-how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

-how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

-do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or more signals ?

Errm, you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?

no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200

Igor

AFAIk this will NOT work. if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan, it does not know these two cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to tell it about such a confguration. Is this correct Klaus? Christoph

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I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

I started with a clean vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels, but it did only for a few.

After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops there. In the DVB menu, update stands on add new transponder

I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as channel not available ).

The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The frequence are always the same. -why is the autoscan not working ? Do I need some transponder file ?

-how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

-how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

-do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or more signals ?

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Errm, you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra?

no, he has one FF card, second one is budget card TT3200

Igor

Ok, but this does not make any difference in this situation, it will plain NOT work, as long as each card is hard-wired to only one of the LNBs. To get channelsacn working he will have to patch vdr (probably by himself)

OK

or get at least one switch to get both satelites to both of his cards.

sorry, I don't understand how is it proceed ? How is it possible to connect two or more cards to two or more LNB's.

Igor

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I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

I started with a clean vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels, but it did only for a few.

After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops there. In the DVB menu, update stands on add new transponder

I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as channel not available ).

The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The frequence are always the same. -why is the autoscan not working ? Do I need some transponder file ?

-how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

-how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

-do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or more signals ?

thanks for your help

Errm, you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra? AFAIk this will NOT work. if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan,

but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ? and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ?

Igor

it does not know these two cards are hardwired to different sat-positions, and i know of now way to tell it about such a confguration. Is this correct Klaus?

C.Scheeder wrote:

Igor schrieb:

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I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

I started with a clean vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels, but it did only for a few.

After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops there. In the DVB menu, update stands on add new transponder

I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as channel not available ).

The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The frequence are always the same. -why is the autoscan not working ? Do I need some transponder file ?

-how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

-how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

-do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or more signals ?

thanks for your help

Errm, you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra? AFAIk this will NOT work. if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan,

but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ? and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ?

Igor

Hrm, i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-) so lets explain it in short: per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does not use it for other so called "idle" tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a second card in the system. thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.

And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get the signal if that tuner is available. so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on hotbird, but you only can scan on astra with plain vdr.... Nice situation... ;-) Christoph

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Aaarrrrgggghhhhh Bloody Germans <G>

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per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does not use it for other

"live" viewing.

Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, who should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans (I live in Germany), are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it in "Clever Modern" advertising all the time now.

"the length of someone's life" "The concert was shown live in TV" "I live in my house", etc.

There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.

Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.

Cheers Brian

C.Scheeder wrote:

Brian schrieb:

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C.Scheeder wrote:

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Igor schrieb:

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I had a 1.5.13 running for a while on a nexus FF.

I did install a second card, S2-3200, together with the multiproto driver and vdr 1.7.0, without patches at this moment, because I am not interested in HD at this time. I am just looking to have 2 cards working to be able to stream on several vdr clients and use the output of my FF card. The S2 card is on astra, and the FF on hotbird

I started with a clean vdrconf directory, and with a channel.conf with only 1 entry (TV5) on hotbird. I hoped that vdr would scan new channels, but it did only for a few.

After starting the first time, it scanned about 10 new channels and stops there. In the DVB menu, update stands on add new transponder

I did try with an other channel.conf. I can see every FTA channel on hotbird, but I have a black screen on astra (nothing as channel not available ).

The log does nt learn me something either. In fact the log is flooded by kernel messages about stb6100 that get_frequence and bandwith. The frequence are always the same. -why is the autoscan not working ? Do I need some transponder file ?

-how can I check the signal on my S2-3200 card ?

-how can I reduce the logs from stb6100 ?

-do I need to apply a concurrent recording patch to be able to stream 2 or more signals ?

thanks for your help

Errm, you say you have two FF-Cards, one connected to an LNB poniting hotbird and one connected to another LNB pointing to Astra? AFAIk this will NOT work. if vdr has 2 cards, it only uses the second card to do channel-scan,

but why vdr chose the second card, not the first one ? and this vdr's behaviour only for scan ?

Igor

Hrm, i could say RTFM, but that would be a little rude ;-) so lets explain it in short: per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does not use it for other so called "idle" tasks like epg-scann or transponder-scann if there is a second card in the system. thats by design, and it is written down the documentation.

And when it comes to viewing a transponder, vdr uses the first card to get the signal if that tuner is available. so in your configuration you will only be able to watch the channels on hotbird, but you only can scan on astra with plain vdr.... Nice situation... ;-) Christoph

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Aaarrrrgggghhhhh Bloody Germans <G>

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per design vdr reserves the first card in system for life viewing and does not use it for other

"live" viewing.

Its a mistake that is made absolutely everywhere, especially in the press, who should really know better. I'm absolutely astounded about how many Germans (I live in Germany), are nearly perfect with their English but make this mistake. But we see it in "Clever Modern" advertising all the time now.

"the length of someone's life" "The concert was shown live in TV" "I live in my house", etc.

There's certainly no system in things like those in the English language.

Sorry, just a pet rant of mine.

Cheers Brian

Blody fucking bastard of a keyboard ;-) just hit the wrong key, i know i can't type blind, but sometimes i do it simply, and then such typo's are the result..... have a niece day Christoph

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So... I can type really really fast, just have a problem hitting the correct keys <G>

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