Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
Cheers
Andrew Herron
Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
I can tell you for certain that they are not handled. :)
There is code in the standalone dvb-apps 'scan' application to parse Freeview LCNs, but that's it...
Cheers, Gavin.
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct order with their correct numbers.
The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel numbers included, too.
Cheers,
Laz
In 200702141528.27259.laz@club-burniston.co.uk, Laz wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct order with their correct numbers.
The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel numbers included, too.
I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the Freeview numbering added.
It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the upper-case variables near the top of the script.
Hi Tony,
Thanks for the attached script. I'll take a look at it tonight as I am running Debian :-)
Cheers
Andrew
On 2/14/07, Tony Houghton h@realh.co.uk wrote:
In 200702141528.27259.laz@club-burniston.co.uk, Laz wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the
UK
on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in
anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the
corerct
order with their correct numbers.
The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel numbers included, too.
I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the Freeview numbering added.
It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the upper-case variables near the top of the script.
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Tony Houghton wrote:
In 200702141528.27259.laz@club-burniston.co.uk, Laz wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct order with their correct numbers.
The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel numbers included, too.
I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the Freeview numbering added.
It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the upper-case variables near the top of the script.
I like the idea of this, but I am wondering how we could adapt it to create channel lists for other networks.
As an idea what about parsing a webpage from lyngsat for Sky UK channel numbers and ordering the channels in that way, or Sky Italia, TPS etc.
Or even all of them, but having a 1 in front.. so channel 1101 Would be BBC 1, but 2101 Rai Uno etc..
Or is this a silly idea..?
I will look over the script a bit later.. :-)
Hi Rob,
I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my reading of threads on this list that is!
Andrew
On 2/14/07, Rob Davis rob.davis@libero.it wrote:
Tony Houghton wrote:
In 200702141528.27259.laz@club-burniston.co.uk, Laz wrote:
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the
UK
on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in
anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the
corerct
order with their correct numbers.
The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel numbers included, too.
I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the Freeview numbering added.
It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the upper-case variables near the top of the script.
I like the idea of this, but I am wondering how we could adapt it to create channel lists for other networks.
As an idea what about parsing a webpage from lyngsat for Sky UK channel numbers and ordering the channels in that way, or Sky Italia, TPS etc.
Or even all of them, but having a 1 in front.. so channel 1101 Would be BBC 1, but 2101 Rai Uno etc..
Or is this a silly idea..?
I will look over the script a bit later.. :-)
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Andrew Herron wrote:
Hi Rob,
I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my reading of threads on this list that is!
Yes, but not quite the same.
What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the official decoders from different providers. ie, someone from outside the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five. Then BBC 3, 4 etc.
I know when I moved to Italy from the UK it took me about a year to work out that Rete 4, Canale 5 were followed by Italia 1..
The channel numbers for several providers are already in Lyngsat, with the channel frequencies and tsid's.. Why not extract the info and build an ordered channel list for vdr in the operator designated order?
On I understand what you are trying to achieve now. LCN data is broadcast as part of the UK Freeview service and Tony's script uses that data to resort the channels list (like a Freeview STB would in fact). I guess what you are after is a combination of xmltvtovdr and Tony's scanln script.
On 2/14/07, Rob Davis rob.davis@libero.it wrote:
Andrew Herron wrote:
Hi Rob,
I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my reading of threads on this list that is!
Yes, but not quite the same.
What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the official decoders from different providers. ie, someone from outside the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five. Then BBC 3, 4 etc.
I know when I moved to Italy from the UK it took me about a year to work out that Rete 4, Canale 5 were followed by Italia 1..
The channel numbers for several providers are already in Lyngsat, with the channel frequencies and tsid's.. Why not extract the info and build an ordered channel list for vdr in the operator designated order?
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Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :
What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the official decoders from different providers. ie, someone from outside the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five. Then BBC 3, 4 etc.
I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I do) by messing with channels.conf?
My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?
BBC 1 London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0 BBC 2 England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0 BBC THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0 BBC FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0 CBBC Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0 CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0 BBC NEWS 24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0 ITV1 Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0 ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0 ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0 ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0 :- Below this point are the channels found by epg scan
Tony PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?
The point is that a £20 freeview box automatically sorts the channel list using the broadcast lcn data without any user intervention. Then of course all the channel numbering is correct and conforms to the UK freeview channel order. By using Tony's script we get the same functionality in vdr for UK Freeview channel numbering without having to manually resort the channel list every time we rescan.
Your channel list below is not in UK Freeview LCN order of course.
Channel 4 and 5 have been free to air for ages on freeview, cable and Sky by the way.
Cheers
Andrew
On 2/15/07, Tony Grant tony@tgds.net wrote:
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :
What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the official decoders from different providers. ie, someone from outside the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five. Then BBC 3, 4 etc.
I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I do) by messing with channels.conf?
My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?
BBC 1 London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0 BBC 2 England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0 BBC THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0 BBC FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0 CBBC Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0 CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E :22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0 BBC NEWS 24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0 ITV1 Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0 ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E :22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0 ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0 ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0 :- Below this point are the channels found by epg scan
Tony PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?
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Tony Grant wrote:
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :
What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the official decoders from different providers. ie, someone from outside the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five. Then BBC 3, 4 etc.
I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I do) by messing with channels.conf?
My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?
BBC 1 London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0 BBC 2 England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0 BBC THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0 BBC FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0 CBBC Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0 CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0 BBC NEWS 24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0 ITV1 Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0 ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0 ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0 ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0 :- Below this point are the channels found by epg scan
Have a look at:
http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html
From there a channels.conf file would look roughly:
:@101 BBC 1 West;BSkyB:10817:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2305:2307=eng:2309:0:10351:2:2048:0:west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk :@102 BBC 2 England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0:west.bbc2.bbc.co.uk :@103 ITV1 West;BSkyB:10832:hC56:S28.2E:22000:2344:2345=eng:2346:0:10030:2:2049:0:west.htv.co.uk :@104 Channel 4;BSkyB:12168:V:S28.2E:27500:2311+2304:2312=eng,2313=NAR:2314:960,961:9201:2:2024:0:channel4.com :@105 Five;BSkyB:12304:H:S28.2E:27500:514+8190:662=eng,682=NAR:578:960,961:9343:2:2031:0:channel5.co.uk :@106 Sky One;BSkyB:12285:v:S28.2E:27500:513+8190:641=eng,661=NAR:577:960,961:4703:2:2030:0:sky-one.sky.com :@107 Sky Two;BSkyB:12226:h:S28.2E:27500:514+8190:642=eng,662=NAR:578:960,961:5104:2:2027:0:sky-two.sky.com :@108 Sky Three;BSkyB:12226:h:S28.2E:27500:512+8190:640=eng,660=NAR:576:960,961:5103:2:2027:0:sky-three.sky.com :@109 UKTV Gold;BSkyB:11817:V:S28.2E:27500:2326:2328=eng,2330=NAR:2327:960,961:6504:2:2006:0:uk-gold.flextech.telewest.co.uk :@110 UKTV Gold +1;BSkyB:11992:H:S28.2E:27500:2329:2330=eng,2354=NAR:2331:960,961:7605:2:2015:0:plus-1.uk-gold.flextech.telewest.co.uk UK Gold 2~;BSkyB:11817:V:S28.2E:27500:2336:2338=eng:2337:960,961:6516:2:2006:0:uk-gold-2.flextech.telewest.co.uk :@115 BBC THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0:choice.bbc.co.uk :@116 BBC FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0:knowledge.bbc.co.uk :@117 ITV2;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2352=NAR:2354:0:10070:2:2044:0:itv2.itv.co.uk :@118 ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357=eng,2358=NAR:2359:0:10260:2:2054:0:itv3.itv.co.uk :@119 ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2368:2369=eng:2370:0:10072:2:2044:0:itv4.itv.co.uk
etc..
If you wanted to have the same numbers as a Sky Digibox.
Now, if you had two feeds, say Sky UK and Sky Italia (Like us)
You also have:
http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyitalia_chno.html
The format is roughly the same..
Tony PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?
Their licence expires next year, but no one seems to know if then will then go FTA or stay FTV.
I have a FreeSat card, so am not too worried.
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 09:15 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :
If you wanted to have the same numbers as a Sky Digibox.
OK I see.
I am a very basic viewer who just zaps around on a whim recording the odd film now and then and of course MotoGP. Since we moved my VDR box died (bad capacitors) and so the dish isn't even bolted to the front of the house yet... And now we have a DVB-T box to watch all 18 free French channels. But bike season is approaching fast so I will be hooking everything up again soon.
Tony
In 20070214161348.GA8877@realh.co.uk, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the Freeview numbering added.
Actually, this script isn't much use after all. When scan's run in vdr compatibility mode (which isn't fully compatible with vdr anyway) it misses out the part-time channels ie BBC3, CBeebies etc depending on the time of day. And the script fails to correct the resultant clashes eg BBCi being channel 2.
What we really need is a patch for VDR to make it get the channel numbers and sort on them. Some sort of bootstrapping would be a good idea too. At the moment VDR exits without any error messages if it doesn't have a channels.conf. It should at least allow the use of the OSD and/or ask the user for whatever info it needs to start a scan.
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