The next stable version of VDR (to be released on February 19) will contain the functionality from the "binary skip" patch (by Rolf Ahrenberg and Helmut Auer). Since most VDR users probably won't understand what the word "binary" means in that context, we're looking for a better wording for the setup parameters of this function. Currently these are (from the MANUAL):
Binary skip initial value (s) = 120 Defines the number of seconds to jump from the current replay position in either direction, when pressing the '1' or '3' key for the first time after the "Binary skip timeout". The valid range is 10...600.
Binary skip timeout (s) = 3 Defines the number of seconds after which pressing the '1' or '3' key falls back to the "Binary skip initial value". The valid range is 0...10. Setting the timeout to 0 disables the binary mode and makes '1' and '3' always skip the number of seconds configured as the initial value.
Binary skip strict = yes When skipping in binary mode with the '1' and '3' keys, the distance of the skip is halved with every key press after the first change of direction. While this allows for locating a particular position in a recording very fast, once you make one step too many in the current direction you have no chance of ever reaching the desired point any more. You will have to wait for the timeout to occur and start binary skipping anew. If this option is set to 'no', the skip distance will only be halved if the direction actually changes. That way, even if you missed the target point, you can still back up to it.
In this posting
http://www.vdr-portal.de/board1-news/board2-vdr-news/p1231427-15-jahre-vdr-z...
M-Reimer suggested to change these to
Initial value for bisecting skip distance (s)
Timeout for bisecting skip distance (s)
Always bisect skip distance
The question now is: is "bisect" the right word here, which a native English speaker would use? Or should it rather be "halve"? Or something completely different?
Please help us out here.
Klaus
Hi Klaus,
On 02/05/15 16:56, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
The question now is: is "bisect" the right word here, which a native English speaker would use? Or should it rather be "halve"? Or something completely different?
IMHO all these fancy words are a bit overblown. I am not a native English speaker but I consistently use the English version of software where available.
So I suggest to keep it simple and use words that even I can understand. ;-)
Instead of "to bisect" or "to halve" I would use "to cut in half".
Of course, it it *has to be* a single word, then http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_opposite_of_doubling_a_number suggests halving.
Carsten.
The question now is: is "bisect" the right word here, which a native English speaker would use? Or should it rather be "halve"? Or something completely different?
Bisect isn't correct. Bisecting means to cut something into 2 parts. Using "halve" doesn't make sense. Binary doesn't either for that matter. My suggestion is to call it "adaptive skipping".
"adaptive skip value": Defines the how many seconds to skip forward/back when pressing 1/3. Valid range is 10-600.
"adaptive skip alternate behavior": If enabled, adaptive skipping will only adjust the adaptive skip value with key presses that change the skip direction. Otherwise, the skip value is halved with every key press.
"adaptive skipping reset": Defines how long to wait without a key press before resetting the adaptive skip value back to its original setting.
That to me describes what those do much better. Btw, the definitions seemed like they could use a touch-up too so I threw in suggestions for those as well. :)
Regards, Derek
Am 05.02.2015 um 20:55 schrieb VDR User:
"adaptive skipping"
The action is skipping, the achievement is searching.
So we do
"Binary Search" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm
or
"Binäre Suche" http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin%C3%A4re_Suche
Ok, this may be considered informatics phrasing, but this is the unique and correct name.
By the way: So cool that this patch finally finds its way into the core!
"adaptive skipping"
The action is skipping, the achievement is searching.
So we do
"Binary Search" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm
Searching isn't an achievement (or whatever you mean), it's part of the skipping process. You `search` (aka look for) the timestamp in which you want to "skip" to. When it's found, the search stops and the skip has completed.
Yes, the action is skipping. The skipping is actively modified therefore the skipping is adaptive:
"Adaptive behavior is a type of behavior that is used to adjust to another type of behavior or situation."
Ok, this may be considered informatics phrasing, but this is the unique and correct name.
Binary searching is a technical term, and one that I have never heard associated with or used to describe movement in time. Ask an average person to define "binary search" and see what kind of response you get. Klaus asked for a native English speakers response, which I am and have provided. You're welcome to disagree but that certainly doesn't make me wrong.
By the way: So cool that this patch finally finds its way into the core!
This is -do- agree with you on. :)
Thanks for all the helpful responses.
The final verdict is:
Initial duration for adaptive skipping (s) = 120 Defines the number of seconds to jump from the current replay position in either direction, when pressing the '1' or '3' key for the first time after the "Reset timeout for adaptive skipping". The valid range is 10...600.
Reset timeout for adaptive skipping (s) = 3 Defines the number of seconds after which pressing the '1' or '3' key falls back to the "Initial duration for adaptive skipping". The valid range is 0...10. Setting the timeout to 0 disables the adaptive mode and makes '1' and '3' always skip the number of seconds configured as the initial duration.
Alternate behavior for adaptive skipping = no When skipping in adaptive mode with the '1' and '3' keys, the distance of the skip is halved with every key press after the first change of direction. While this allows for locating a particular position in a recording very fast, once you make one step too many in the current direction you have no chance of ever reaching the desired point any more. You will have to wait for the timeout to occur and start adaptive skipping anew. If this option is set to 'yes', the skip distance will only be halved if the direction actually changes. That way, even if you missed the target point, you can still back up to it.
Klaus
Hi Klaus,
yes, very good ... :)
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Thanks for all the helpful responses.
The final verdict is:
Initial duration for adaptive skipping (s) = 120 Defines the number of seconds to jump from the current replay position in either direction, when pressing the '1' or '3' key for the first time after the "Reset timeout for adaptive skipping". The valid range is 10...600.
Reset timeout for adaptive skipping (s) = 3 Defines the number of seconds after which pressing the '1' or '3' key falls back to the "Initial duration for adaptive skipping". The valid range is 0...10. Setting the timeout to 0 disables the adaptive mode and makes '1' and '3' always skip the number of seconds configured as the initial duration.
Alternate behavior for adaptive skipping = no When skipping in adaptive mode with the '1' and '3' keys, the distance of the skip is halved with every key press after the first change of direction. While this allows for locating a particular position in a recording very fast, once you make one step too many in the current direction you have no chance of ever reaching the desired point any more. You will have to wait for the timeout to occur and start adaptive skipping anew. If this option is set to 'yes', the skip distance will only be halved if the direction actually changes. That way, even if you missed the target point, you can still back up to it.
Klaus
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On 2/5/2015 8:55 PM, VDR User wrote:
The question now is: is "bisect" the right word here, which a native English speaker would use? Or should it rather be "halve"? Or something completely different?
Bisect isn't correct. Bisecting means to cut something into 2 parts. Using "halve" doesn't make sense. Binary doesn't either for that matter. My suggestion is to call it "adaptive skipping".
"adaptive skip value": Defines the how many seconds to skip forward/back when pressing 1/3. Valid range is 10-600.
"adaptive skip alternate behavior": If enabled, adaptive skipping will only adjust the adaptive skip value with key presses that change the skip direction. Otherwise, the skip value is halved with every key press.
"adaptive skipping reset": Defines how long to wait without a key press before resetting the adaptive skip value back to its original setting.
That to me describes what those do much better. Btw, the definitions seemed like they could use a touch-up too so I threw in suggestions for those as well. :)
Regards, Derek
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Hi, I would use the term "Binary Search" in the description in the manual etc. that way all IT "Types" would know how it works, but it has a very low WAF, so no way should an end user get to see that term.
I guess the end user should get to see the term "skip" somewhere, then they will know what is meant immediately, I guess "adaptive skipping" is a good description.
My 5 cents worth.
Cheers Brian
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