Looking at the circuit diagram for the vga2scart cable. at http://vga2scart.gw90.de/cable/vga2scart/ What pins need to be mapped on the scart to include also sound (for a complete vga+ stereo out > SCART cable)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:54:03 +0300 From: Pasi K?rkk?inen pasik@iki.fi Subject: Re: [vdr] Advice on new motherboard, xineliboutput, vdpau, hdmi video & audio, etc. To: vdr@linuxtv.org Message-ID: 20100821125403.GW2804@reaktio.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 01:37:10AM +0300, Niko Mikkil? wrote: Thu, 2010-08-19 at 20:54 +0400, Goga777 wrote: Computer hardware usually cannot provide 50.000Hz, 59.940Hz or 23.976Hz outputs to your TV/Monitor. This will cause some judder on display output as MPEG/AVC input-stream is not synchronized to output framerate.
do you mean that all nvidia vdpau cards with existing drivers from Nvidia can't provide exact 50.000Hz, 59.940Hz or 23.976Hz ??
There is no graphics card, BD/DVD player or other standalone device that outputs those rates exactly. I don't know how much they deviate, but I'd guess it's usually something like 0.01 % (50.005 Hz instead of 50 Hz), as Jori said.
However, the rate doesn't need to match exactly because the display device is synchronized to the video signal. The rate could be 50.1 Hz or maybe even 51 Hz and the display wouldn't mind. 50 fps video files would play slightly faster, but there would be no need to drop video frames because of that.
Things are more problematic when receiving live broadcast. Then the display and the video source (graphics card and software) needs to be synchronized to the broadcast to avoid dropping or duplicating frames. Set-top digital television boxes and FF DVB cards do that, but most graphics cards/drivers can't because they aren't designed to follow an external time source.
Audio playback synchronation is another issue, and somewhat difficult to handle properly on a PC where the audio chip's clock is almost always separate from the graphics card's clock. By default, many media players time everything according to the audio clock, and therefore they need to drop/duplicate video frames every now and then. The other alternative is to drop/duplicate audio frames or resample the audio completely.
I assume you guys are aware of projects like: http://frc.easy-vdr.de/
It was originally started to get perfectly synced RGB output from a VGA card (to PAL TV), just like from FF DVB card.
I haven't really used that myself, but afaik they've been working on making that exact synchronization (variable framerate) possible with new HD/VGA/DVI outputs aswell.
-- Pasi
Am Montag, den 23.08.2010, 09:28 +0200 schrieb martinez:
Looking at the circuit diagram for the vga2scart cable. at http://vga2scart.gw90.de/cable/vga2scart/ What pins need to be mapped on the scart to include also sound (for a complete vga+ stereo out > SCART cable)
I found an updated diagram at [1]. I hope it is what you wanted.
Thanks,
Paul
[1] http://crashme.cx/vdr-portal-picts/VGA_SCART_RGB_NEWER.png
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:59:52 +0200 Paul Menzel paulepanter@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
Am Montag, den 23.08.2010, 09:28 +0200 schrieb martinez:
Looking at the circuit diagram for the vga2scart cable. at http://vga2scart.gw90.de/cable/vga2scart/ What pins need to be mapped on the scart to include also sound (for a complete vga+ stereo out > SCART cable)
I found an updated diagram at [1]. I hope it is what you wanted.
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[1] http://crashme.cx/vdr-portal-picts/VGA_SCART_RGB_NEWER.png
There's a schematic for a much simpler circuit for combining the sync at http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit. It also includes pinout tables for connecting the rest of the video signal and audio. HTH.
Hi List,
Am 23.08.10 15:26, schrieb Tony Houghton:
[1] http://crashme.cx/vdr-portal-picts/VGA_SCART_RGB_NEWER.png
wow, that are interesting news. Does it means I can buy a Atom board with an ION2 chip on it and can use the VGA connector to connect my old TV till I buy a new LCD and use then HDMI?
Bye, Matthias
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:07:43 +0200 Matthias Fechner idefix@fechner.net wrote:
wow, that are interesting news. Does it means I can buy a Atom board with an ION2 chip on it and can use the VGA connector to connect my old TV till I buy a new LCD and use then HDMI?
It depends on whether the Ion2 can generate the modelines you need. You'll have to check around for that. I expect most people buying new hardware like this would already have an LCD TV by now, so the info could be hard to find :-(.
Am 24.08.10 16:35, schrieb Tony Houghton:
It depends on whether the Ion2 can generate the modelines you need. You'll have to check around for that. I expect most people buying new hardware like this would already have an LCD TV by now, so the info could be hard to find :-(.
hm, here you are right. Does anyone knows if the POV mainboard (http://www.pointofview-online.com/showroom.php?shop_mode=product_detail&...) works with the VGA2SCART adapter?
If yes then I could use the new board for the LCD and I can kick out my old Pentium II 233MHz Box :)
Thanks, Matthias
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 01:36:34PM +0200, Matthias Fechner wrote:
hm, here you are right. Does anyone knows if the POV mainboard (http://www.pointofview-online.com/showroom.php?shop_mode=product_detail&...) works with the VGA2SCART adapter?
AFAIK all more recent (aka VDPAU compatible) nVidia graphics run VGA2SCART flawlessly. There are found many VGA2SCART success stories at [2].
I myself use an POV ION 330-1 for VGA2SCART.
If you should decide to use my favorite VGA-to-SCART adaptor [1] a minor problem could arise. Newer VGA ports often don't provide 5V+ at pin9 (VESA-DCC) any more. In that case you simply use any other 5V+ source instead.
cheers Thomas
[1] http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/vga-sync-fields/README [2] http://www.vdr-portal.de/
Hi Thomas,
Am 25.08.2010 18:33, schrieb Thomas Hilber:
AFAIK all more recent (aka VDPAU compatible) nVidia graphics run VGA2SCART flawlessly. There are found many VGA2SCART success stories at [2].
thanks, that are great news (but in the README only the ATI and Intel cards are mentioned :) ).
If you should decide to use my favorite VGA-to-SCART adaptor [1] a minor problem could arise. Newer VGA ports often don't provide 5V+ at pin9 (VESA-DCC) any more. In that case you simply use any other 5V+ source instead.
ok, so you can use +5V from an USB port which I need for infrared too.
I will wait now till the new Asus ION2 board is available for a reasonable price and then I will give it a try with my old system.
I will keep you up-to-date.
Bye Matthias
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 06:46:54PM +0200, Matthias Fechner wrote:
thanks, that are great news (but in the README only the ATI and Intel cards are mentioned :) ).
right. The circuit was just a byproduct for the vga-sync-fields project.
ok, so you can use +5V from an USB port which I need for infrared too.
sure
I will keep you up-to-date.
Maybe you are interested in [1]. That guy uses also that minimum VGA2SCART circuit. BTW: In the meantime yaVDR [2] includes native VGA2SCART support.
cheers Thomas
[1] http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=98112 [2] http://www.yavdr.org/
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:59:52AM +0200, Paul Menzel wrote:
I found an updated diagram at [1]. I hope it is what you wanted.
[1] http://crashme.cx/vdr-portal-picts/VGA_SCART_RGB_NEWER.png
this is just a full blown schematic with charge pump circuit to provide up to 11V at SCART pin 8. If you don't need that you might use my stripped down to the bare minimum circuit shown at [1].
The simple circuit has been proven successful in many cases. It has been sold ready to use at [2]. I don't know if it's still manufactured.
cheers Thomas
[1] http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/vga-sync-fields/README [2] http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=84693