The majority of transmissions by my cable provider are 16:9 and I have this set in the DVB option, however we do get 4:3 transmissions and although the details are in the stream (as shown by femon) the picture remains as set in DVB option. My TV can detect different formats however the FF card always outputs 16:9 (as setup). Can vdr be made to switch the output based upon the stream rather than as setup in DVB option or does this have major implications?
Thanks for all your hard work it really is appreciated.
Mike
I have Hauppauge FF card and TV is connected to it's composite output and I have no problems when DVB option is set to 16:9. I am using vdr-1.3.24. I do not know about vdr's functionality in this but this seems to work with me. Are you sure your tv are set to automatic. In my tv the setting is AV input specific as in AV1/AV2/AV3.
-Kartsa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Parker" vdr@msatt.freeserve.co.uk To: "Klaus Schmidinger's VDR" vdr@linuxtv.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: [vdr] Aspect Ratio problems
The majority of transmissions by my cable provider are 16:9 and I have this set in the DVB option, however we do get 4:3 transmissions and although the details are in the stream (as shown by femon) the picture remains as set in DVB option. My TV can detect different formats however the FF card always outputs 16:9 (as setup). Can vdr be made to switch the output based upon the stream rather than as setup in DVB option or does this have major implications?
Thanks for all your hard work it really is appreciated.
Mike
My TV definately switches automatically, however if DVB is set to 16:9 in vdr and the transmission is in 4:3 the picture remains squashed.
I am using a Siemens/Fuji FF card with latest cvs drivers - vdr 1.3.31 and using the composite out from the card.
Is this a driver or vdr problem?
Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kartsa" kari@kniivila.com To: "Klaus Schmidinger's VDR" vdr@linuxtv.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [vdr] Aspect Ratio problems
I have Hauppauge FF card and TV is connected to it's composite output and
I
have no problems when DVB option is set to 16:9. I am using vdr-1.3.24. I
do
not know about vdr's functionality in this but this seems to work with me. Are you sure your tv are set to automatic. In my tv the setting is AV
input
specific as in AV1/AV2/AV3.
-Kartsa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Parker" vdr@msatt.freeserve.co.uk To: "Klaus Schmidinger's VDR" vdr@linuxtv.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: [vdr] Aspect Ratio problems
The majority of transmissions by my cable provider are 16:9 and I have this set in the DVB option, however we do get 4:3 transmissions and although the details are in the stream (as shown by femon) the picture remains as set in DVB option. My TV can detect different formats however the FF card always outputs
16:9
(as setup). Can vdr be made to switch the output based upon the stream rather than
as
setup in DVB option or does this have major implications?
Thanks for all your hard work it really is appreciated.
Mike
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My TV definately switches automatically, however if DVB is set to 16:9 in vdr and the transmission is in 4:3 the picture remains squashed.
Is this pillar-boxed 4:3 or true 4:3? (Which channel? The BBC tend to use pillar-boxing whereas Channel 5 uses true 4:3.)
[snip]
Thanks for the Help Darren.
By squashed I mean that the TV is showing a 'full' picture which is not in the correct aspect ratio, no pillar boxing. When a 4:3 is being transmitted I have to switch my TV into 4:3 mode and the tv puts in its own blank sides and the picture is correct. Watched bbc3 Apprentice last night, it shows pillar-boxing and no change is necessary, but surely that is 16:9 in stream (I did not check) so it should look ok anyway. The problem is when a 4:3 stream is being sent and dbv is set to 16:9, the 4:3 picture is sent to my tv in 16:9 format and the tv does not automatically switch. Is this a vdr / driver problem? Thanks Mike
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My TV definately switches automatically, however if DVB is set to 16:9
in
vdr and the transmission is in 4:3 the picture remains squashed.
Is this pillar-boxed 4:3 or true 4:3? (Which channel? The BBC tend to use pillar-boxing whereas Channel 5 uses true 4:3.)
[snip]
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On Thursday 01 September 2005 11:05, Mike Parker wrote:
Thanks for the Help Darren.
[...]
Mike, you might want to read http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Kind regards, Stefan
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened. Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems. Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Taferner" taferner@kde.org To: "Klaus Schmidinger's VDR" vdr@linuxtv.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [vdr] Aspect Ratio problems
STEFAN'S COMMENTS INSERTED AS IT IS ALWAYS SENT AS AN ATTACHMENT
On Thursday 01 September 2005 11:05, Mike Parker wrote:
Thanks for the Help Darren.
[...]
Mike, you might want to read http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Kind regards, Stefan
Mike Parker wrote:
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened. Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems. Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
Yayy, it's friday ;-) !!!
En/na Mike Parker ha escrit:
STEFAN'S COMMENTS INSERTED AS IT IS ALWAYS SENT AS AN ATTACHMENT
IT IS NOT AN ATTACHMENT: Look at the bloody headers
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Folks, we're in the year 2005, you'd better find a mailer that understands MIME-Version: 1.0 (a 1996 standard) and knows how to manage text/plain *inline* content.
(btw, my mailer doesn't specify the Content-Disposition at all, so a compliant MIME mailer should just show the text/plain to the user).
Bye
On Friday 02 September 2005 09:06, Mike Parker wrote:
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened.
Just to understand things: you tell me that I am to blame if you use an outdated email client?
Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems.
You mean non-Linux systems do not allow the proper style of replying?
Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
Ok, go on, ignore the netiquette. Your rude reply shows me that I am not the first one who gave you a hint.
--Stefan
In df9000$s46$1@sea.gmane.org, Lucian Muresan wrote:
Mike Parker wrote:
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened. Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems. Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
Yayy, it's friday ;-) !!!
And September!
I demand that Tony Houghton may or may not have written...
In df9000$s46$1@sea.gmane.org, Lucian Muresan wrote:
Mike Parker wrote:
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened. Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems. Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
Yayy, it's friday ;-) !!!
And September!
Fri, 4385 Sep 1993 ;-)
Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Tony Houghton may or may not have written...
In df9000$s46$1@sea.gmane.org, Lucian Muresan wrote:
Mike Parker wrote:
Stefan - in England we have a phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" - before critisicising others you should understand that your comments are hidden to someone using outlook express and need to be specially opened. Email quoting is a common problem and just because I use Linux all day, does not mean that I read my emails on Linux systems. Your comment serves no useful purpose (nor does mine here) apart from stirring up the same old thing so if you dont like it then sorry but I dont see why I should change just because you dont like it.
Yayy, it's friday ;-) !!!
And September!
Fri, 4385 Sep 1993 ;-)
;-) :-D Oh God, I'm soooo disappointed! Where have you guys left your napalm guns? Now it's after work, everyone happily at home, so it doesn't matter anymore, heh, maybe next Flameday...
Mike Parker wrote:
Thanks for the Help Darren.
By squashed I mean that the TV is showing a 'full' picture which is not in the correct aspect ratio, no pillar boxing. When a 4:3 is being transmitted I have to switch my TV into 4:3 mode and the tv puts in its own blank sides and the picture is correct. Watched bbc3 Apprentice last night, it shows pillar-boxing and no change is necessary, but surely that is 16:9 in stream (I did not check) so it should look ok anyway.
I recorded that program, it was broadcast as 16:9 stream containing pillar-boxed 4:3 content. If you have a 16:9 TV then you are correct, it will look OK without VDR or the TV doing any kind of proceeing on the video.
The problem is when a 4:3 stream is being sent and dbv is set to 16:9, the 4:3 picture is sent to my tv in 16:9 format and the tv does not automatically switch.
I have a 4:3 TV and use a DXR3 card for my display so I can't be certain about the capabilities of the FF card, but here is what I can tell you about what I believe should happen.
A true 4:3 video stream obviously doesn't have the black borders to make it look right on a 16:9 TV so something needs to add them. I believe what is meant to happen is that the TV gets instructed to switch into the 4:3 mode in one of two ways:
- Signalling via SCART pin 8 which probably isn't applicable since even if you use some s-video to scart conveter then this pin will not be driven by the FF card. (see this link for some information on SCART http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART )
- Widescreen Signalling (WSS), which is a special signal embedded in one of the offscreen lines of the picture much like the old TeleText system. ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widescreen_signaling ). I think this can either be delivered inside the original video stream by the broadcaster or be inserted by the playback card (I'm not sure if the FF is in this category).
Is this a vdr / driver problem?
Sorry I can't help here. Other possibilities include the video stream not including the WSS signal or your TV perhaps not obeying the WSS. Occasionally broadcasters have even been known to flag 4:3 programs as 16:9 by mistake.
Jon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Burgess" jburgess@uklinux.net To: "Klaus Schmidinger's VDR" vdr@linuxtv.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [vdr] Aspect Ratio problems
Mike Parker wrote:
Thanks for the Help Darren.
By squashed I mean that the TV is showing a 'full' picture which is not
in
the correct aspect ratio, no pillar boxing. When a 4:3 is being transmitted I have to switch my TV into 4:3 mode and
the
tv puts in its own blank sides and the picture is correct. Watched bbc3 Apprentice last night, it shows pillar-boxing and no change
is
necessary, but surely that is 16:9 in stream (I did not check) so it
should
look ok anyway.
I recorded that program, it was broadcast as 16:9 stream containing pillar-boxed 4:3 content. If you have a 16:9 TV then you are correct, it will look OK without VDR or the TV doing any kind of proceeing on the
video.
The problem is when a 4:3 stream is being sent and dbv is set to 16:9,
the
4:3 picture is sent to my tv in 16:9 format and the tv does not automatically switch.
I have a 4:3 TV and use a DXR3 card for my display so I can't be certain about the capabilities of the FF card, but here is what I can tell you about what I believe should happen.
A true 4:3 video stream obviously doesn't have the black borders to make it look right on a 16:9 TV so something needs to add them. I believe what is meant to happen is that the TV gets instructed to switch into the 4:3 mode in one of two ways:
- Signalling via SCART pin 8 which probably isn't applicable since even
if you use some s-video to scart conveter then this pin will not be driven by the FF card. (see this link for some information on SCART http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART )
- Widescreen Signalling (WSS), which is a special signal embedded in one
of the offscreen lines of the picture much like the old TeleText system. ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widescreen_signaling ). I think this can either be delivered inside the original video stream by the broadcaster or be inserted by the playback card (I'm not sure if the FF is in this category).
Is this a vdr / driver problem?
Sorry I can't help here. Other possibilities include the video stream not including the WSS signal or your TV perhaps not obeying the WSS. Occasionally broadcasters have even been known to flag 4:3 programs as 16:9 by mistake.
Jon
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Hi Jon
Just like to say thank you for taking the time to reply about the Aspect Ratio problem with vdr/tv.
The TV is about 4 months old (42" LG plasma) so pretty upto date. If I watch an analog tranmsission the tv switches correctly, or inserts blanks down side etc.
I am using composite out of the FF card so pin 8 is not a viable solution.
So that leads us to WSS - which I assume the tv does support as it appears to switch correctly on analogue.
It seems to me that setting 16:9 or 4:3 in vdr setup sets the output at that and WSS does not occur. I assume vdr needs this info for handling OSD etc.
I have replied off list due to the 'noise' generated by quoting ;-)
Thanks once again - I will keep on investigating.
Mike
Mike Parker wrote:
The TV is about 4 months old (42" LG plasma) so pretty upto date. If I watch an analog tranmsission the tv switches correctly, or inserts blanks down side etc.
Nice. It almost certainly does support WSS.
I am using composite out of the FF card so pin 8 is not a viable solution.
The quality of a composite signal is pretty poor (esp at 42"). If I was you i'd start trying to get one of the VGA/DVI/HDMI inputs connected to the graphics card. Not only will the quality be much better but you'll also be able to use it for other things as well. As for VDR, you need to start using something which allows you to send the video to your graphics card, for example:
xine plugin - http://home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/vdr-xine-0.7.5.tgz softdevice - http://softdevice.berlios.de/
Jon
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