You are in the wrong mailing list.
Sorry but I can't find any solution on google... Anyone knows the "correct" mailing list?
No, and nobody wants to know. Maybe you should consider using a *real* CAM and start paying for what you want to watch ?
JM2C
metgorna wrote:
You are in the wrong mailing list.
Sorry but I can't find any solution on google... Anyone knows the "correct" mailing list?
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Karsten Müller kmu@ratio.de wrote:
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No, and nobody wants to know. Maybe you should consider using a *real* CAM and start paying for what you want to watch ?
using a sc does not mean he does not pay for a subscription.
i would be more careful, blaming somebody for cheating.
</OT>
Sure. And you definitely need a "Keyfile" if you have a subscription ? I see.
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
Karsten Müller kmu@ratio.de wrote:
<OT>
No, and nobody wants to know. Maybe you should consider using a *real* CAM and start paying for what you want to watch ?
using a sc does not mean he does not pay for a subscription.
i would be more careful, blaming somebody for cheating.
</OT>
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
What is your point? You can use SC to emulate a conditional access module which needs no keyfile at all.
Although it seems to be common sense on this list not to talk about SC, blaming everyone who is mentioning SC for commiting a crime isn't very nice.
On Sunday 10 July 2005 16:31, Karsten Müller wrote:
Sure. And you definitely need a "Keyfile" if you have a subscription ? I see.
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
Karsten Müller kmu@ratio.de wrote:
<OT>
No, and nobody wants to know. Maybe you should consider using a *real* CAM and start paying for what you want to watch ?
using a sc does not mean he does not pay for a subscription.
i would be more careful, blaming somebody for cheating.
</OT>
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
using a sc does not mean he does not pay for a subscription.
i would be more careful, blaming somebody for cheating.
Paying for a subscription does not mean he can legally use SC.
In most countries, its nowadays illegal to bypass any content or copy protection system, no matter if you are allowed to access the content or not. Just explaining how SC works or where to get it may get the poster or the mailing list hoster into serious legal trouble.
See for example the recent AllofMP3 wave: Lawyers still fight about whether Allofmp3's licenses are Russian licenses only or can legally be sold to German customers. Nonetheless they already admonish (abmahnen) people for just LINKING to that site. 4000€ for linking a page because its not 100% sure whether the site is fully legal...
Its consensus to keep all potentially illegal discussions off the list. There are enough offshore hosted sites covering such topics anyway.
Cheers,
Udo
Udo Richter wrote:
Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
using a sc does not mean he does not pay for a subscription.
i would be more careful, blaming somebody for cheating.
Paying for a subscription does not mean he can legally use SC.
Can't wait the day when it's illegal to eat and drink with something else than platinum or diamond-cut dishes, although we pay for WHAT we're eating with them. It would be "bypassing the profit of the platinum-and-diamond-cut dishes monopolists".
Just forget about things like Live 8, feed the poor lawyers and bosses...
I agree with anyone stating that pay-TV shouldn't be stolen by not paying the *subscription*, or sharing music or movies originating from original CDs or DVDs is illegal, but I hate what industry and politics is doing to us (look at copy protected CDs, DVDs, HDCP, future HDTV on home-brewed receivers like VDR etc.). But maybe we deserve no different, standing tall has been long forgotten as we continue to buy their crippled CDs, DVDs, so-called "HD-ready" ridiculous TV Sets which make us "upgrade" everything even if it's still working well. They even managed to make us believe we feel good if we religiously respect such laws they actually just punch our teeth with (like declaring illegal to use something we payed for, if we're not using their expensive tools, it's fancy called "circumvention of a protection system", regardless of the use). The whole thing stinks. They shouldn't punish the actual bypassing of copy or content protection systems, but the use of the bypassing, I mean, if you bypass the protection system of material you payed for only for watching and NOT giving it away to others not even in a non-profit way, then what can be illegal in that?
Sorry, I don't like mondays @work... Lucian
On Monday 11 July 2005 12:25, Lucian Muresan wrote: [...]
The whole thing stinks. They shouldn't punish the actual bypassing of copy or content protection systems, but the use of the bypassing, I mean, if you bypass the protection system of material you payed for only for watching and NOT giving it away to others not even in a non-profit way, then what can be illegal in that?
My words. But it is still as it is. So it is probably better to not talk about "it" on this list.
It is a pity that things seem to get worse with HDTV and DVB2.
--Stefan
Lucian Muresan wrote:
The whole thing stinks. They shouldn't punish the actual bypassing of copy or content protection systems, but the use of the bypassing, I mean, if you bypass the protection system of material you payed for only for watching and NOT giving it away to others not even in a non-profit way, then what can be illegal in that?
The fact is that their protection systems are useless, so the have to use bribing (they call it euphemistically "lobbying") to make illegal even discussing about these issues. It's really sad, but maybe we deserve it.
Bye
Lucian Muresan lucianm@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
I agree with anyone stating that pay-TV shouldn't be stolen by not paying the *subscription*, or sharing music or movies originating from
Correct. IMHO it's double-tongued to ban talks about sc but everybody keeps using DeCSS with MPlayer etc. It's primarily about using what I paid for anyway, with the system I want. Both can be used for criminal purposes, but both can be used for perfectly legal purposes as well.
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