Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
martinez@embl.de wrote:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
Remove the keycode ... or train your kids ;)
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org] För Halim Sahin Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:57 Till: vdr@linuxtv.org Ämne: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
hi, Remove the pause key from your remote.conf Regards Halim
That is not what he's looking for since he probably wants the pause key to work during playback.... But do people still watch live tv? I hardly ever do anyway. /Magnus H
hi, During playback you can pause it with down key. timeshift can be select in meinmenu. so He can simply disable the pause key. Regards Halim
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org] För martinez@embl.de Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19 Till: vdr@linuxtv.org Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
// Pausing live video: case kPause: if (!cControl::Control()) { DELETE_MENU; if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo()) Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device to record!")); key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key } break;
/Magnus H
Magnus Hörlin wrote:
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org] För martinez@embl.de Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19 Till: vdr@linuxtv.org Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
// Pausing live video: case kPause: if (!cControl::Control()) { DELETE_MENU; if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo()) Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device torecord!")); key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key } break;
/Magnus H
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Remove the Kids?
hi,
What's the difference? your approach needs patching vdr. Remooving the pause key from remote.conf does the same. HTH. Halim
On Di, Mai 05, 2009 at 12:13:33 +0200, Magnus Hörlin wrote:
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org] För martinez@embl.de Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19 Till: vdr@linuxtv.org Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
// Pausing live video: case kPause: if (!cControl::Control()) { DELETE_MENU; if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo()) Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device torecord!")); key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key } break;
/Magnus H
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-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-bounces@linuxtv.org] För Halim Sahin Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 13:52 Till: vdr@linuxtv.org Ämne: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
hi,
What's the difference? your approach needs patching vdr. Remooving the pause key from remote.conf does the same. HTH. Halim
Hi Halim, to me it is a big difference. If I'm watching a recording (which I do 99% of my TV-time) and there's a "Pause" key on my remote, I want it to work as expected. To me, this is one of the key points of open source software. If it doesn't work the way you want, modify it. /Magnus
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:18 AM, martinez@embl.de wrote:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
If you're kids are old enough to talk then they're old enough to understand "don't play with the remote". If not, they're too little to reach up very high. Whichever the case, it sounds like your problem can be easily solved without modifying remote.conf, VDR core, or anything else. I couldn't imagine fighting with a kid over something like that. No way! ;)
Hi there :)
martinez@embl.de schrieb:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here.
This behavior is intented. Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is a great feature and I really would miss that!
If you don't want it, you just have to skip the learning of the pause key (or remove it from remote.conf). You can always pause recordings with the "down"-key, so you just don't need the "extra-pause-key".
Please, please RTFM. It is all written in the manual, that comes with VDR. Read the manual before complaining.
There is NO NEED for a patch, an option or anything else. Really! ;)
Btw. I have a son, too. He is 2 years old and I have no problem with him, my remote or my VDR ...
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
On 5/6/09, Frank Scherthan t.a.r.o.s@gmx.de wrote:
Hi there :)
martinez@embl.de schrieb:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here.
This behavior is intented. Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is a great feature and I really would miss that!
If you don't want it, you just have to skip the learning of the pause key (or remove it from remote.conf). You can always pause recordings with the "down"-key, so you just don't need the "extra-pause-key".
Please, please RTFM. It is all written in the manual, that comes with VDR. Read the manual before complaining.
There is NO NEED for a patch, an option or anything else. Really! ;)
Btw. I have a son, too. He is 2 years old and I have no problem with him, my remote or my VDR ...
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Hi Theunis, Hi list,
Theunis Potgieter schrieb:
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great!
The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments.
In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording.
If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused.
Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual?
I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;)
btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User%27s_Manual
Frank, who read the manual ;)
On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009, Frank Scherthan wrote:
Hi Theunis, Hi list,
Theunis Potgieter schrieb:
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great!
The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments.
In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording.
If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused.
Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual?
I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;)
btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User%27s_Manual
Well, I do want the live-pause / instant-recording function, but I can think of a simple way out of this discussion. Why not allow the Pause key to be redefined in keymacros.conf, like the color and User? keys.
I have not had a look into the code in vdr.c, but maybe this also requires some non-trivial changes in key processing to stacked event/handler tables with priorities and in such case this is not possible if only needed for this goal.
Regards Matthias
I know I should RTFM. Since, vdr appears as a settopbox, it sometimes makes you lazy into thinking you would get the help from the screen and not think in Linux/Unix/PC way of checking a man page. Yes I know I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info
On 07/05/2009, Frank Scherthan t.a.r.o.s@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Theunis, Hi list,
Theunis Potgieter schrieb:
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great!
The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments.
In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording.
If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused.
Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual?
I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;)
btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User%27s_Manual
Frank, who read the manual ;)
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On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Theunis Potgieter theunis.potgieter@gmail.com wrote:
I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info
A plugin just to display the help file? This might sound crazy but why not just log into the box instead? 99.9% of my VDR/linux related stuff is done from Putty ssh on my Vista 64 desktop. ;)
VDR User schrieb:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Theunis Potgieter theunis.potgieter@gmail.com wrote:
I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info
A plugin just to display the help file? This might sound crazy but why not just log into the box instead? 99.9% of my VDR/linux related stuff is done from Putty ssh on my Vista 64 desktop. ;)
Well - there is a plugin allready (guess there is nothing what i can think of where a plugin not allready exist ;) - its called aide-plugin - not sure though whats the shape of it. But i'm pretty sure if that does not work, there is another one i don't know which actually works ;) - I for myself do it the same way you suggest. But the setup-plugin users out there might think different.
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:39 +0200, Frank Scherthan wrote:
Hi Theunis, Hi list,
I have read the manual. I understand how vdr works.
I don't like finding 4 instant recordings going, using up disk space and 10 old instant recordings that no one actually wanted.
IMHO: it is too easy to 'accidentally' bump the pause key. I have done it, my wife has done and my kids do it. I could re-read the manual but my opinion won't change. :)
Theunis Potgieter schrieb:
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great!
The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments.
In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording.
If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused.
Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual?
I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;)
btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User%27s_Manual
Frank, who read the manual ;)
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Hi all,
I see exactly this too...you can end up with a stack of running live instant recordings without realising it. I think its an area that needs some improvement.
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Malcolm Caldwell < malcolm.caldwell@cdu.edu.au> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:39 +0200, Frank Scherthan wrote:
Hi Theunis, Hi list,
I have read the manual. I understand how vdr works.
I don't like finding 4 instant recordings going, using up disk space and 10 old instant recordings that no one actually wanted.
IMHO: it is too easy to 'accidentally' bump the pause key. I have done it, my wife has done and my kids do it. I could re-read the manual but my opinion won't change. :)
Theunis Potgieter schrieb:
Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him.
Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great!
The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments.
In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording.
If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and
paused.
Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual?
I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;)
btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User%27s_Manual
Frank, who read the manual ;)
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Frank Scherthan kirjoitti:
Hi there :)
martinez@embl.de schrieb:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here.
This behavior is intented. Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is a great feature and I really would miss that!
Yes - that is great. But...
I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording.
yours, Jouni
Jouni Karvo wrote:
I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording.
Agreed.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi wrote:
I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording.
If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted to keep it for any reason.
I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place.
This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently viewed channel) I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher.
Andrew
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM, VDR User user.vdr@gmail.com wrote:
I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place.
2009/5/8 Andrew Herron totallymaxed@gmail.com
This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently viewed channel) I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher.
There's no need for this stream to reach disk. A 512MB in memory buffer should be sufficient, and ram is cheap these days.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Torgeir Veimo torgeir@pobox.com wrote:
2009/5/8 Andrew Herron totallymaxed@gmail.com
This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently viewed channel) I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher.
There's no need for this stream to reach disk. A 512MB in memory buffer should be sufficient, and ram is cheap these days.
512MB won't get you far with hdtv. It won't even get you 5 minutes worth. Needless to say, you'd need at least a few GB of dedicated ram to even bother with it. At least ram is cheap now as you've pointed out (especially if you take advantage of MIR's). After seeing how much money I was wasting every month in my electric bill just by not setting a sleep timeout on my harddrives, ram is the only place I'd want any caching like that to take place if I were interested in buffering live tv.
VDR User a écrit :
512MB won't get you far with hdtv. It won't even get you 5 minutes worth. Needless to say, you'd need at least a few GB of dedicated ram to even bother with it. At least ram is cheap now as you've pointed out (especially if you take advantage of MIR's). After seeing how much money I was wasting every month in my electric bill just by not setting a sleep timeout on my harddrives, ram is the only place I'd want any caching like that to take place if I were interested in buffering live tv.
Can you give tell us how much ? I roughly estimated the cost here in France : 1W on 24/7/365 costs 1€/year.
Leaving a green HD on 24/7 (Western Digital 1TB GP) costs me 5€/year here. Leaving the whole server on (4 HDD, DVB device, ADSL box, networking gear, etc.) costs me 65€/year... Much less than, say, hot water.
On 08.05.2009 01:17, Andrew Herron wrote:
I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher.
I don't think so. Disks don't wear that much by reading and writing. Spinning up and down, heating up and cooling down, shaking them, do lots of seek operations, thats wearing a hard disk much more. (Flash disks are different.)
OTOH, 4GB of RAM isn't very expensive any more, and should be enough for roughly 1h of HDTV with good quality (~9mbit), or?
Cheers,
Udo
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Udo Richter udo_richter@gmx.de wrote:
On 08.05.2009 01:17, Andrew Herron wrote:
I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher.
I don't think so. Disks don't wear that much by reading and writing. Spinning up and down, heating up and cooling down, shaking them, do lots of seek operations, thats wearing a hard disk much more. (Flash disks are different.)
Heat (ironically in some cases helps performance) especially wears parts faster. Putting a fan on a harddrive only keeps the housing cool, which is a good thing, but it doesn't do anything for where the heat is actually being generated. You can run a harddrive 24/7/365 but when you do that there's a higher risk the next time you spin it up you'll hear clicking.
OTOH, 4GB of RAM isn't very expensive any more, and should be enough for roughly 1h of HDTV with good quality (~9mbit), or?
If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some great deals. :)
Regards, Derek
If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some great deals. :)
RAM + HDD = SSD
Overheating, spinning... it's something from dinosaurs' era :))
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Andrey Kuzmin maillists@egodot.net wrote:
If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some great deals. :)
RAM + HDD = SSD
More like flash ram + hdd = ssd. You don't want to use an ssd for something like this just yet. Btw, I picked up a 30GB ssd drive which is now the os drive on my Vista 64 desktop. Damn nice! Boots to desktop in about 7 seconds. Almost no load time for apps (even large with many plugins). I can't wait until ssd technology matures a little more and the price drops!
Overheating, spinning... it's something from dinosaurs' era :))
Yes! :)
VDR User wrote:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi wrote:
I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording.
If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted to keep it for any reason.
He meant the latter.
I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place.
Use RAM.
VDR User kirjoitti:
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi wrote:
I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording.
If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted to keep it for any reason.
I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place.
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
It is easy to distinguish pausing live TV and making a recording as concepts, as a normal user.
yours, Jouni
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 schrieb Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi:
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
This is the first good idea in this thread.
Gerald
On 05/09/09 12:30, Gerald Dachs wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 schrieb Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi:
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
This is the first good idea in this thread.
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay. If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
- How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
I'd prefer to keep things simple...
Klaus
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very
surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
Okay, something to think about.
- How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of
recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
Press the record button on the remote and the complete recording till now will go into the list of recordings.
Gerald
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted?
If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem.
VDR User wrote:
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very
surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem.
The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats properly.
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 16:29 +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote:
VDR User wrote:
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very
surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem.
The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats properly.
For F sake. Do you have kids?
You can educate a 5 year old, but a 2 year old? Have you even tried?
Just to say: I am not lazy, and my kids are not brats, and I don't think I or the the others here who raised this issue deserve to be ridiculed.
(Or perhaps you intended your post to be humorous??)
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The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats properly.
For F sake. Do you have kids?
You can educate a 5 year old, but a 2 year old? Have you even tried?
Just to say: I am not lazy, and my kids are not brats, and I don't think I or the the others here who raised this issue deserve to be ridiculed.
(Or perhaps you intended your post to be humorous??)
Well, I also wondered if he was humorous or not. When my daughter was three years I often found five or so live recordings running. Now I have a son of the same age and now it never happens for some reason. It could be that I have changed remote to one that has a pause key that you don't press by accident as easily. Or perhaps a boy/girl thing? But when I come to think of it, I don't think I have told him that you can pause live tv... Anyway, I think that people who want to pause live tv don't want a confirmation popup so perhaps disabling "pause live tv" by a config parameter is a better solution. /Magnus H
Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really non-logical. Follow the principle of least surprise; if you want to record live tv, you press the record button, no the pause button.
If one really wants to record the (temporal) file created by a live tv pause, one could press the record button while paused.
Torgeir Veimo schrieb:
Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really non-logical.
You can keep your money ;)
The pause key pauses live TV.
It doesn't record in the background to surprise you!
It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a recording or pausing live-TV.
Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than doing just nothing at all...
Frank
our satellite provider's pvr, has 2 tv out and 2 remotes. If you are watching a live/paused recording, you have the option to save it or discard it. I do not know what the size of this buffer is. But it does give you the option and it does show you are busy with a live buffer, icon indication is better than asking all the time.
On 11/05/2009, Frank Scherthan t.a.r.o.s@gmx.de wrote:
Torgeir Veimo schrieb:
Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really non-logical.
You can keep your money ;)
The pause key pauses live TV.
It doesn't record in the background to surprise you!
It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a recording or pausing live-TV.
Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than doing just nothing at all...
Frank
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I agree with you 100% - the 'Pause' key should pause Live TV. However I do agree with others here that the 'Paused recording' should be automatically 'cleaned up' when you go back to Live TV or alternatively when you change channel.
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Frank Scherthan t.a.r.o.s@gmx.de wrote:
Torgeir Veimo schrieb:
Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really non-logical.
You can keep your money ;)
The pause key pauses live TV.
It doesn't record in the background to surprise you!
It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a recording or pausing live-TV.
Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than doing just nothing at all...
Frank
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Am Sat, 9 May 2009 06:15:18 -0700 schrieb VDR User user.vdr@gmail.com:
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted?
If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem.
I had already answered the OP how to solve this problem in a former thread.
Gerald
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 06:15 -0700, VDR User wrote:
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very
surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem.
Just to say: I have kids, and this happens to me. I go in every now and again and delete all the instant recordings. Not a big problem, but annoying. I once lost something I wanted because an instant recording filled the disk. (I should have set the priorities correctly. I know)
If my remote has a pause key, I want it to work when I am replaying recordings. I don't want to remove that "feature".
During live TV, I would prefer that the Pause key != Record.
Perhaps a two step: press pause, and it says "Press OK to pause live TV"?
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Gerald Dachs schrieb:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de:
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very
surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay.
Shit happens, not really a problem.
second this ...
If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
Okay, something to think about.
pausing is pausing not recording. recording is recording (what a wisdom :D )
- How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of
recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
Press the record button on the remote and the complete recording till now will go into the list of recordings.
Second this. How about another type beside .rec and .del for this. To make it clear i'm just for not handling pause as a normal recording if you stop pause its gone except you press record in the pause replay which will rename it to a normal recording. Good idea. Thumbs up!
Kind Regards
Steffen
My view is that it should behave as on other PVR's where if you change channel then the 'paused live recording' should be deleted. People are used to this behaviour. Pressing 'Stop' while in the live recording would take you back to 'Live' viewing. At anytime when you want to keep the current Live recording the user could just simply press 'Record' on the remote and this would add the recording to the 'Recordings' menu and therefore saving it for later viewing.
Again many PVR's work in a similar way to this and it would have very big WAF ;-)
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Klaus Schmidinger < Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote:
On 05/09/09 12:30, Gerald Dachs wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 schrieb Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi:
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
This is the first good idea in this thread.
It also raises several questions:
- When should such a recording be deleted?
If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay. If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
- How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings?
Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
I'd prefer to keep things simple...
Klaus
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On 09.05.2009 12:38, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay. If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
What about just asking the user?
So someone hit pause and play. No one remembers. For now, its some kind of invisible recording. If someone hits 'stop' or tries to change channels, ask the user 'Continue instant recording?'. If he presses OK, make the recording visible. If he presses cancel, delete the recording.
Cheers,
Udo
On 09/05/2009, Udo Richter udo_richter@gmx.de wrote:
On 09.05.2009 12:38, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:
- When should such a recording be deleted?
If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay. If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time.
- How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings?
Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list.
What about just asking the user?
So someone hit pause and play. No one remembers. For now, its some kind of invisible recording. If someone hits 'stop' or tries to change channels, ask the user 'Continue instant recording?'. If he presses OK, make the recording visible. If he presses cancel, delete the recording.
Cheers,
How about a small icon/character in the corner that shows you are busy viewing a live/paused recording...?
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Gerald Dachs vdr@dachsweb.de wrote:
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 schrieb Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi:
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
This is the first good idea in this thread.
In my opinion the first good idea was when someone said to keep your kids away from the remote. ;)
I totally agree with this too...at least it would be good to have the option to handle the pause-live-TV "recording" as now or to have them automatically deleted when you change channel and not have them appear at all in the 'Recordings' menu. This would me a big improvement in WAF :-)
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Jouni Karvo Jouni.Karvo@iki.fi wrote:
No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category.
It is easy to distinguish pausing live TV and making a recording as concepts, as a normal user.
yours, Jouni
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martinez@embl.de wrote:
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling.
Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
I reply direct to the original message, cause there's a lot of opinions down the thread..
If your use your remote over Lirc, then why you don't program a own remote for your kids? Get a cheap remote, for example a remote you get with boxed dvb-cards. Program that remote to use only those buttons you want your kids to use, and give that remote to your kids.
This way you can stick to your own remote, and keep it away from your small terrorists :-)
my 5 euro-cents
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